Miracle mineral supplement / Faith Drops

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Posted 03 August 2010

In the USA, a product called Miracle mineral supplement is sold claiming to be able to cure malaria, AIDS, and a number of other conditions. The science is very implausible. It is also sold by individuals in South Africa. It may be similar to Faith Drops (www.cancercure.co.za ) (which claims to be able to cure AIDS and cancer – also implausible). In fact, we could use a much harsher word to describe these products.

Are they the same product? They do resemble each other in some instances. Telling is the statement “Miracle mineral supplement” at the bottom of the Faith Drops URL at www.cancercure.co.za.

Are we the only ones warning consumers that this product can harm you more than heal you? No, the USA FDA MedWatch warns: “Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS): Product as consumed produces a potent bleach that can cause serious harm”.

1. FDA Medwatch
2. South African Distributors
3. South African Media article warning consumers

. FDA MedWatch

FDA MedWatch – Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS): Product as consumed produces a potent bleach that can cause serious harm

AUDIENCE: Consumers, Emergency Medicine

ISSUE: FDA warned consumers not to consume or use Miracle Mineral Solution, an oral liquid solution also known as “Miracle Mineral Supplement” or “MMS.” The product, when used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health. The product instructs consumers to mix the 28 percent sodium chlorite solution with an acid such as citrus juice. This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent bleach used for stripping textiles and industrial water treatment. High oral doses of this bleach, such as those recommended in the labeling, can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and symptoms of severe dehydration.

BACKGROUND: MMS is distributed on Internet sites and online auctions by multiple independent distributors. MMS claims to treat multiple unrelated diseases, including HIV, hepatitis, the H1N1 flu virus, common colds, acne, cancer, and other conditions. The FDA is not aware of any research that MMS is effective in treating any of these conditions. MMS also poses a significant health risk to consumers who may choose to use this product for self-treatment instead of seeking FDA-approved treatments for these conditions.

RECOMMENDATIONS: Consumers who have MMS should stop using it immediately and throw it away. The FDA advises consumers who have experienced any negative side effects from MMS to consult a health care professional as soon as possible.

Healthcare professionals and patients are encouraged to report adverse events or side effects related to the use of this product to the FDA’s MedWatch Safety Information and Adverse Event Reporting Program:

             Online: www.fda.gov/MedWatch/report.htm

             Phone: 1-800-332-1088

             Mail: return the postage-paid FDA form 3500, which may be downloaded from the MedWatch “Download Forms” page, to address on the pre-addressed form

             Fax: 1-800-FDA-0178

Read the MedWatch safety alert, including a link to the FDA News Release, at:

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/SafetyAlertsforHumanMedicalProducts/ucm220756.htm

. South African Distributors of this product

(as listed at http://mmswebsites.com/) as at 3 August 2010  

Sommex (Pty) Ltd
MMS – Wholesale/Retail
E-mail: [email protected]   +27 11 791-1947

+27 (0) 834538566
Johannesburg / South Africa

MMS for Africa
Lehaia     E-mail: [email protected]                082-788-1788

Tine Van Der Maas (remember her?! She convinced a previous Health Minister, (Manto) that garlic, beetroot and lemon juice, among other, would cure AIDS).

On her website, at http://www.tinevandermaas.com/basic-wellness/miracle-mineral-supplement-or-mms/ she writes:

“First I want to thank Jim Humble, who took it from no-where to where it is slowly becoming “mainstream” today, and who has done an amazing amount of research on MMS. He has devoted many of his years showing people all over the world, but especially in Africa, how and why MMS works.

 You can read his book on his website:

In short, he experimented for years and eventually found that if you mixed the drops with lemon juice, it became activated to kill malaria. He then traveled all over Africa to show doctors and government officials how fast MMS worked to kill the Malaria parasites in an extremely affordable way. I can testify that it works extremely well against Malaria. When I received my first bottle of MMS a few years ago, (I obviously first read Jim Humble’s book), I went to a malaria area in South Africa and asked 2 people at a hospital who had been diagnosed with malaria if they were prepared to try the MMS. They had all the symptoms like high fever, shaking and drowsiness. Using Jim Humble’s Protocol, within about five and a half hours, the symptoms were gone, and when a blood test was done the next morning (about 14 hours later), the blood was parasite free.

Did the doctors ask me what I had used? NO! Did they want to know? NO! Are people still suffering and dying from Malaria unnecessary while there is an extremely affordable remedy available? Yes!

I have since tried it for many different diseases including AIDS, all types of cancers, all types of infections, and when the “swine” flu was here, it also worked beautifully. When we will do our Clinical Trials, we will invite Jim Humble to visit us, so he can enjoy the fruit of his work.”

Warning, there is not a shred of evidence that this product works!

 

. South African Media article warning consumers

The reporter, Antoinette Pienaar, wrote a scathing report on this product in the Afrikaans newspaper, Die Beeld, titled “Wonderdruppels? Smyt weg!” (Wonderdrops? Throw away!)

 

http://www.beeld.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Wonderdruppels-Smyt-weg-20100802

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78 Responses to Miracle mineral supplement / Faith Drops

  1. Dalene 6 September, 2010 at 9:29 am #

    Thank you for all the information!  Was searching for MMS products!  Sorry, I do not agree with you, because we KNOW MMS works and have lots of evidence! Tine van der Maas is doing wonders!!!! I saw really sick people cured, diabetic who was 'blind' and on insulin, now doing needlework and off her medication, cataracts gone, AIDS cured, etc.  MMS has no or little negative effects and compared to ANY pharmaceuticals……………..!!

  2. Harris 6 September, 2010 at 11:11 am #

    Dalene, thank you for your posting. I am sure readers are aware that Tina van der Maas believed that a mixture of garlic, beetroot, and other foods could cure or alleviate AIDS. I am sure that readers will be able to read the posting above and your comments and make up their minds for themselves. Meanwhile, if we can use science to show what works and what does not, then surely we can expect the same for this product? How else to know whether something really works or not? Harris

  3. alan dykens 9 September, 2010 at 9:01 am #

    of course they don`t want it approved, the big pharm companys prefer ARVs because one is on it for life which equals big money…

  4. Harris 9 September, 2010 at 9:11 am #

    @alan: The reason it was not approved is simply because the manufacturers could not prove that the product worked (had efficacy) or that it was safe. Would you not want these two aspects confirmed before you give a product to your children when they are very sick? How else do you separate good products from scams?

  5. Dalene 9 September, 2010 at 10:30 am #

    Science and the FDA probably do not want to lose 'everything' by showing the world how cheap and easy it is to get and stay healthy with fresh food and water, or MMS. Jim Humble and others are not supported by Governments to feed them with billions of $ to prove their findings. Thus, you cannot merely critisize MMS or any alternative medicines or 'treatments' just because it was not FDA 'approved' – in fact, I should say rather stay away from those by all means!  People have in any case the choice to decide for themselves whether they want to use pharmaceuticals or go alternative, and have the proof.  Science is unfortunately not trustworthy.  Inventing The AIDS Virus by Peter H. Duesberg is one of many books which shine light on a few very interesting facts.  And yes, I love my children dearly and they ONLY use MMS and other alternative treatments, just like myself.
     
     

     

  6. Harris 11 September, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    @Dalene: People who claim to have been healed by MMS, are just anecdotes, and anecdotes are worthless in the domain of science. One cannot generalise from an anecdote.

  7. Dalene 13 September, 2010 at 10:13 am #

    Hi Harris:  May I ask, what is science other than a grouping of anecdotes?  Furthermore, science cannot explain these so-called 'anomalies' and for the most part they don't try to – anything worthy of the name 'science' should make a point of it to explain why anomalies exist – there is an actual reason for it, something that they are doing right.  It may also be said here that science is no more than generally accepted opinion at any given stage, limited by the mental limitations of the few who we trust to do the experiments which lead to scientific theory.  If one does a bit of research one will realise that science is not what it should be anymore at all – instead of putting forth a hypothesis, testing it and then reporting on the results from an objective stand point, the trend these days is to put forth a hypothesis and then manipulate the experiments to suit the hypothesis and then report subjective, ego-driven results too easily claimed as factual.  Science also rarely takes place in vivo, and for the most part under strict, largely unnatural circumstances to control for external factors which may 'interfere' with the results, therefore making science (at least to some degree) worthless in the domain of reality, which kind of misses the point all together.  Therefore science can never be a certainty, it is always evolving and nothing is an impossibility.  For integrity in science to be upheld one needs an open mind to all possibilities, even if you don't like it or believe it could be true.  Science is not the alpha and omega and it has been proven wrong so many times in the past and continues to do so even today.  One needs to accept that science is biased, money & ego-driven,  and the public are on a need to know basis, controlled by the media, government and military.  One cannot merely accept what you read in the papers, hear from your doctor, etc as fact – many of these people are ill-informed as well.  It is not a doctor's job (for instance) to do the experiments himself, but merely to report what the 'scientists' have reported and handed down to them.  Google mmsforhispaniola.com and read some lesser known facts surrounding FDA approval, both related to chlorine dioxide and not.
         

  8. Harris 13 September, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

    @Dalene: If "science" is so bad, then claims for CAMs which uses even a less critical method, are hundreds of times worse. And science is not "a grouping of anecdotes". Example. When I worked at Red Cross Children's Hospital, there was a doctor in Sea Point using a test used by other CAM practitioners for diagnosing foods to which her patients were allergic to. After admitting into our ICU the nth patient who had a severe reaction after being allowed to eat a food that she said was safe and could eat (but that we had found them to be allergic to and asked them to avoid), I phoned her to chat. She told me that her anecdotal evidence proved that the test was accurate. In otherwords, she did not realise that patients who were badly effected  by her test never returned to her – only those that thought they were helped. And if the test was useless but had only a placebo effect, she would have thought the test is accurate. That is why proper evidence collection is vital – and the only way to do it, is to avoid the trap of anecdotal evidence as proof. Anecdotal evidence is simply a hint. Another example, in the 17th and 18th century, anecdotal evidence led surgeons to believe that bleeding patients helped to cure or save patients. It was only when the first ever proper trial was conducted, that surgeons were shown that patients were more likely to die from being bled than those that were not! Proof how dangerous anecdotal evidence can be. 

  9. Craig 25 December, 2010 at 2:07 am #

    Every year over a MILLION people are damaged by PRESCRIPTION medicines in the USA alone and over 75,000 DIE from the administration of these drugs. How about an article about that??????

  10. Harris 25 December, 2010 at 9:01 am #

    Visitors should not automatically deduce that CamCheck therefore supports prescription medicines. We do not. All products making therapeutic claims have the ability to help or harm individuals – we are against ANY product making unsubstantiated claims, lack of proof of safety etc. CamCheck's specific focus is on CAMs for reasons explained in the "About" page. 

    Prescription medicines are not necessarily safe – some in fact are highly toxic but used in very serious conditions where life may be saved by their use (and where no CAMs have proof of efficacy) – but with a high risk of side effects. Does one in that situation not use the prescription medicine knowing that death is therefore most likely, or use the medicine knowing that the risk of side effects are high.

    Individuals taking an incorrect dose of paracetamol are no better or worse off than individuals taking comfrey – a natural product known to also have toxicity.

  11. Dan 21 November, 2011 at 9:53 pm #

    Years ago all my joints became "inflamed ". After many months of medical treatment and pain killers and unable to walk or even use my hands I read about wheatgerm oil. Needless to say when using it and got healed within 4 weeks, medical practitioners would not believe it. Only side effect was headaches after using it to long.
    Could be the same with MMS. Hope to get more info on MMS so that I can try it.

  12. Thibos 22 November, 2011 at 1:58 am #

    Where can i get mms here in south africa

  13. Harris 22 November, 2011 at 10:33 pm #

    @Thibos

    I am unable to assist you. I suggest that read the article above and try the contacts mentioned in the article. However, I feel I need to warn you that this product is a scam.

  14. Craig Donnelly 23 November, 2011 at 10:08 pm #

    WARNING, this is a complete fabrication! I have personally uses MMS to cure an antibiotic resistant infection in my arm and was told by the consultant that it was the MMS that had done this. Drinking water has BLEACH IN IT!
    The amount you take is tiny and like ANYTHING if you take too much obviously it is harmful.
     
    To issue warnings from the USA Fed Medwatch is a complete disgrace over 100,000 americans DIE each year from side effects of FDA APPROVED DRUGS!!!!!!!
     
    Dont be such bloody hypocrites!

  15. Harris 23 November, 2011 at 10:27 pm #

    @Craig

    The fact that over 100,000 Americans die each year from the side effects of FDA approved drugs does not make the claims for MMS any less believable, nor make the product any more safe. By stating that MMS is a scam does not imply that I therefore support Big Pharma. I support good evidence (data) for the safety and efficacy of all products making health claims – and there are NONE for MMS.  Anecdotal evidence does not equal data.

    Readers need to also appreciate, that in the defense of certain drugs (not all), that they may be very toxic, but are being used only in conditions where the likelihood of patients dying from the disease to be extremely high – and that no other proven treatment for that condition exists. For example, some cancers have a 100% death rate if untreated but may have up to an 80% survival rate using certain drugs. The downside is that these drugs ARE toxic, and side effects will be reported to the FDA.

  16. Zonke 30 November, 2011 at 9:46 am #

    @ Harris
    These people are playing with peoples lives giving them false hope and therefore excalating stigma and distrimination. In Durban we have a distributor of mms by the name of Dr Zondo. these people are just making profits at the expense of others.
    Unfortunately some of us are hit by these people more than others. Tommorow we are picketing outside a company called HIVEX which claims to use Electro magnetic waves to cure HIV.
    Please watch Special Assignment 1st December 2011 @21h00. You'll be blown away.

  17. what's the point 20 December, 2011 at 1:25 pm #

    Hi Harris
    it would be very interested if the Medical community could engage in open independent research to disprove the benefits of Activated Chlorine Dioxide.
    Activated Chlorine Dioxide is proven in the oral hygiene market but little used.
    I am not saying that you are not genuine in your efforts but your view does seem to be a bit slanted. Traditional conventional allopathic medicine is in the main very proven in maintaining a persons health level but why is its performance so poor at eliminating disease.
    From the way things are working out allopathic medicine is growing exponentially more expensive and out of the reach of many who are economic hostages to suffering ill health.
    Maybe if a person like you could refocus your life to serve others than dismantle what might be good and of service to all we would live in a more equitable world. But that is unlikely as attitudes are very hard to change.
    But if you like there is a simple test that can be carried out to definitively prove that Activated Chlorine Dioxide does have health benefits.

  18. what's the point 20 December, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

    Hi Harris
    I took a little time out to look up HIVEX. Looks very interesting. From a quick view they look to be very genuine and not out to scam anyone.
    Looks like they are using something similar to Bob Becks electrical pulse unit which is borne of work by Doctors from Albert Einstein University Hospital who were granted a patent for a blood electrification device which they stated cured certain diseases. Applying for patents is very arduous and costly and I doubt these Doctors in Allopathic medicine did it for the fun of it. It makes for very interesting reading. But it is very disruptive in nature so understandably would face a lot of inertia as a lot of status quo would be disolved and hurt many economically.
    Again Harris maybe you could look at being more open and help those who genuinely want to help others achieve better wellness. And you are right we all need protection from those who are not genuine and only interested serving their pocket. Harris you have great skills you are a wonderful person look at all the people in SA who would be better served with the right advice and direction. And guess what blood electrification is being used in manstream medicen now to enhance the delivery of minerals into the cells.
    So what is the point. It is simple. You already know the answer but keep denying it.

  19. Harris 20 December, 2011 at 2:30 pm #

    @BrianC / what's the point

    The medical community have not been engaged by the manufacturers of these products in an attempt to prove/disprove that they work.

    Furthermore, the medical community does not engage in trying to prove a product does not work but rather to ascertain whether it has efficacy or not (i.e. open minded approach).

    It requires the manufacturers/sellers of these products engaging credible sources to do these studies. As long as the studies are ethical, most will become involved – most health professionals really want to help improve health.

    The simple point is this: how does the consumer (like me) know whether a product is credible or not – many sellers of scams often appear to be very "nice" and "decent" people. I want to see proof. 

  20. USHAN SINGH 7 January, 2012 at 12:12 am #

    Hi
    Where can I obtain MMS in South Africa and does it help against Candida

  21. Harris 7 January, 2012 at 9:13 am #

    @Ushan

    MMS is risky and a scam. Avoid this product.

  22. Ray 4 May, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    This Harris character is very obviously either on the drug company payroll or benefiting from the ‘drug industry’ in another way and as we all know its a MULTI- BILLION dollar industry…..who wouldn’t put stooges in place to protect their investment and subsequent future earnings?? Either way its only us the poor dumb sheep that suffer at the hands of these corporate giants as they continue to conjure up new diseases and release them on us only to miraculously find symptom suppressors and ‘ SOMETIMES’ an actual cure! If we all learned how to take care of our own day to day health we wouldn’t need all these poisonous inadequate drugs that end up causing more side effects and general heath deterioration down the road. So Mr Harris or should I rather say Mr Stooge why don’t you better spend your time doing something constructive than on here trying to chase people people away from something that really DOES work.

  23. Harris 4 May, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    @Ray
    I am the Harris character. Actually Dr Harris. In other words, yes, I am a health professional. I do not earn one sent from pointing out scams. But then I do not expect you to believe me. In my opinion, if I can point out a scam, give good reasoning why it is a scam, then the reader can make up their own mind. You do not have to believe me. And mainly, you will note that I do not suggest an alternative product – which I would have done if I was paid to show that MMS is a scam. This is how you know that I am not being paid by industry – by the mere fact that I do not advertise or suggest any alternatives, I simply point out what is nonsense.

  24. Ray 5 May, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    Sorry ‘Dr Harris’ but just because you aren’t pushing other products doesn’t prove anything whatsoever???!!!! For heaven sakes just how stupid do u think we are….not the most intelligent reply for a “doctor”!! Most doctors I know barely have time to think let alone spend it on here dissing things… you sir are an all time first! Which leads me to think that you can’t be a very good ‘doctor’ or you no doctor at all. Oh and by the way I’m president of the USA and a rocket scientist.

  25. Harris 5 May, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    @Ray
    Thanks for your reply. I think your posting and comments will give readers a clear guide on who to believe, your view or mine.
    I do not need to have readers believe whether I am a doctor or not: I ask that they examine the evidence for and against, and make up their own mind. I am giving evidence against (for the sellers won’t)

    By the way, did you carefully read all the posting on MMS, which clearly shows:
    1. Not a single study has been published showing that MMS works, i.e., the evidence is “faith” based.

    2. Other international regulatory bodies, e.g.,
    the FDA have “dissed” MMS (www.fda.gov/MedWatch/report.htm),
    the Belgian Poison Control Centre and their French counterparts (http://www.centres-antipoison.net/CCTV/Rapport_CCTV_Solution_minerale_miracle_2010. March 2010.)
    the Canadian Health Authority have banned MMS (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2010/2010_74-eng.php)

    3. That the physiological principles of MMS makes no physiological/pharmacological sense, in particular considering that thousands of studies have beautifully shown how human physiology works.

    4. The Advertising Standards Authority asked MMS for evidence that it works. MMS could not supply a single shred, only that “so-and-so tells me it works”.

    5. That not a single credible “expert” medical doctor, anywhere in the world, supports or uses this product

    6. That many ordinary consumers, not doctors, are warning consumers about using MMS (do a Google search) e.g., http://sites.google.com/site/mmsdebunked/ – I am clearly not alone.

    7. An article from the newspaper, The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/15/miracle-mineral-solutions-mms-bleach

    8. Even the alternative medicine community doesn’t support MMS or Jim Humble. (http://sites.google.com/site/mmsdebunked/)

    Scary stuff.

    Want to read an objective report? Read the overview on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement)

  26. Alida van Wyk 6 May, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    I am suffering from Granuloma Annularae [Beenweefselsiekte] since 1994 on my leggs. I have been on several medication including Cortisone which effected my health negatively in many ways. I met with a lady in South Africa who sells MMS and she introduced me to it. I can honestly say that MMS is the only medicine that manages the problem for the last 8 years. It was up to now not neccesary to increase the dosage and I hope that I will always be able to get hold of it because nothing else works!!!!!!

  27. Harris 6 May, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    “Most granuloma annulare disappears without treatment within 2 years. ” A.D.A.M. Medical Encyclopedia. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001836/

    So possibly you have been wasting your money for the last 8 years?

  28. Alida van Wyk 6 May, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    Harris, please go and have a look at the link that you provided: it is a cronicle problem and nothing helps ………………. you have just proven that you have no insite!
    I said that it has been the only “medicine” that manages the problem. It first occured in 1994 and I received medical treatment for it untill 2004 – 10 years. I use MMS for the last 8 years, only when it appears and it dissapears within a weak. Rather tell other sufferers of Granuloma Annularae of this wonderfull treatment or give me an alternative medical treatment!!!!!!

  29. Harris 6 May, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

    @Alida
    You miss my point, which is that there is no proof that MMS helped you, it may purely have been a co-incidence – it is the nature of this disease, it gets better on its own. There are many examples of patients who have sworn that a treatment has worked for them over a long period, only to discover that the treatment was a placebo. So MMS may or may not have helped you, and certainly knowing the chemistry of this product, I would venture that it is not the MMS but the variability of the disease. I am concerned that your “belief” (not proof) may fool people into using this scam. Yes, it is a scam.

  30. Maja 9 May, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    I have been quite sick with flu for the last week and my mother gave me MMS last night saying that it will “cure” me… what happened after I consumed MMS can only be described as a nightmare. First my breathing became very labored and my heartbeat irregular then I started turning yellow with large bluey purple bags under my eyes… that when the incessant vomiting started and carried on for about 6 hours. I have NEVER felt so ill in my life!! My boyfriend called the hospital to find out what to do as he was becoming very worried at this stage. He was told my my symptoms resembled those of acute poisoning and there wasn’t much he could do until it passed as I couldn’t keep anything down. At around 2AM my vomiting subsided and he gave me rehydrate and imodium to stop my runny tummy. I urge everyone out there … PLEASE DO NOT TAKE MMS!! It is a poison to your body and extremely harmful to your health! Trust me, I’ll never forget how I felt last night!!

  31. Harris 9 May, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    @Maja
    Thanks for posting your experience. This type of reaction has been described elsewhere. As a doctor and scientist, I need to also point out that although what you describe is possible, we need to always bear in mind, that the same way people may claim to be cured by a product (when in fact is it a coincidence), that sometimes an illness can get worse just as you start taking a medicine or a product – sometime it is the medicine/product, sometimes it is a coincidence and it is the disease spiking.

  32. Maja 9 May, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    @Harris
    Sure, you could be right but considering I was already passed the worst of my flu and has started to get better, it would be quite a large coincidence that at the time I took MMS, my flu started getting worse again. Also, what I experienced last night was definitely not symptoms of Flu but something a lot worse.

  33. Harris 9 May, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    @Maja,
    Thanks for clarifying this. The reason for my statement is to ensure readers that CamCheck tries hard to remain objective and that we need to evaluate pro and con postings with the same weight. You have now contributed additional information which is very useful in implicating what the likely or probable cause was! Thanks.

    • Wouter 21 December, 2017 at 10:25 am #

      We must remeber though that Maja’s experience should not be taken as evidence that MMS is unsafe, after all, Maja’s experience is only anecdotal. there is no proof that the MMS actually caused her to become sick.

      • Harris 21 December, 2017 at 12:35 pm #

        @Wouter
        Exactly! You are now starting to think critically.

        However, if one knows, for example, that a product contains arsenic, and a person complains of symptoms that have been shown to be associated with arsenic, then the anecdote becomes more probable. But still remains but an anecdote unless one goes through a number of steps to strengthen the argument for cause and effect. And we do know that the ingredients in MMS have toxic potential.

  34. Esoteric 15 May, 2012 at 9:07 am #

    One thing I know is that MMS works. I think the big pharmacies pay people to disregard MMS publicly. If the big pharms issued out their medicines for free, I think we would see many people being cured rather than being drugged. How is a drug supposed to cure in any way? These drugs just ‘drug you, lie to your brain’ until the immune system finally fights off the particular disease. Natural herbs cure, not drugs.

  35. Harris 15 May, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    @Esoteric
    Please supply me absolute proof to confirm that it works, otherwise it is simply belief and not proof.

  36. Shaz 15 August, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    If this is a miracle drop, why have the pharmaceutical companies not taken it on board and made it their own? Done all the tests to confirm it is for real. WHY? It could be helping soooo many ill as well as terminally ill people. One has to ask the question WHY?

  37. MMS Debunked 22 September, 2012 at 7:31 am #

    Hello Dr Harris. I am the author of the MMS Debunked website you linked in a comment a couple of months ago. I just wanted to say hi and thank you for taking the time to write this article.. Most people who come to comment, on my site too, won’t be convinced by anything we write; when the arguments get too “logical” their last defense is to just block their ears and write us off as “pharma agents”, that’s the funniest excuse ever! If only it was SO easy to get on a pay roll, I could give up my day job! Unfortunately, I have to do this in my spare time with NO pay and very little thanks, in fact, the abuse outnumbers the thanks, so the ONLY reason to do it is the slightly vein little hope that somewhere, someone might read or see something we wrote which makes them think a little harder about what they believe…

    I’ve been at this for over two years now, and how much evidence has MMS gathered during that time? During a time when Jim Humble claims literally MILLIONS of people have used MMS, there is still LITTLE to no evidence it works. A new Youtube channel has started with testimonials, it has about 18 videos as I write this, some of them are reposts, some are so unconvincing it’s almost comical. If MMS was HALF the miracle cure Jim claims to be, that channel should be SWAMPED by videos by now! Jim claims nearly 400 people were cured of HIV in just a single month! He claims to have discovered MMS in 1996! And the best the “official” MMS testimonials channel can do is 18 fairly lame, unconvincing videos??? FIVE of which are actually recorded by the guy who runs MMSforhispaniola and his two sons! (who ALL claim to have cured them selves of MRSA, with absolutely NO documentary evidence that they even had it) And people fall for this scam?!? I actually find it pretty incredible, if a close relative of mine hadn’t bought some to try it, I literally would have thought you’d have to be an imbecile to believe it, but I have learned a LOT over the last 2 years about how normal and even bright people can be misled, mistaken and even believe in complete nonsense…

    All the best to you.

  38. Tine van der Maas 4 December, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

    I cured myself of cancer within 2 1/2 months, which included MMS. It was a lung tumor 10 – 5 cm in my left lung, with bright red blood dripping out of my mouth for 6 days. Make up your own mind – it is your life – your health

  39. Harris 6 December, 2012 at 8:56 am #

    @All readers
    Tine van der Maas, who has commented above, was (is?) referred to as Dr Manto’s Quacks, i.e., an AIDS/HIV “denialist” who recommended garlic, beetroot and lemon, among other, as the treatment for this disease.

  40. Tine van der Maas 19 December, 2012 at 12:42 am #

    Yes, that is what I am referred to. To make up your own mind if I am a quack or not, watch on my You Tube channel the docu “Power to the People”. Also do your research on lemons, garlic, etc … it may suprise you

  41. Greg 5 August, 2013 at 9:13 pm #

    I have just had a patient referred to me from Dr J Harmsen from Doctors across borders ( a subsidiary of Inkanyezi International medical consulting PTY LTD) from a rural area in KZN. The patient was severely emaciated and referred to me with the following letter “We are in the process of treating Ms H at stage IV Cachexia and recommend she be considered favourably for disability grant ASAP” (verbatim). Firstly Cachexia is not a diagnosis but a symptom. Secondly when were these so called Doctors going to tell this patient that their Faith Drops were not working. She had been to them for the last 8 months paying R80 per visit.

    I called the Doctor that referred her and was told that she remembered the patient. I asked why no further information on her condition was included in her referral and was told that they cannot write that she is HIV positive. I asked what they had done for her so far and they said that she had cervical cancer but had never referred her to a gynaecologist. They also said that she was HIV positive but had done no further tests to determine if she was eligible for ARV’s.

    At our government clinic we did two rapid HIV tests that were negative. I also did a pelvic examination and confirmed an abnormal cervix that requires urgent additional investigation and is most likely cervical cancer. This patient believed she was getting medical treatment for 8 months with these charlatans at their mobile clinic. They have potentially killed this patient by delaying her treatment for a potentially curable disease.

    I am going to follow up this case and will help this patient to sue these supposed doctors. These doctors are going out into these rural areas preying on the most vulnerable people who don’t have the ability to distinguish between genuine medical care and bogus medical claims until it is too late. I will not allow my patients to be abused like this.

  42. tRUTH bE tOLD 22 October, 2013 at 10:08 pm #

    My only wish is for you all to go here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/ and end all this propaganda once and for all.

  43. tRUTH bE tOLD 22 October, 2013 at 10:11 pm #

    Here’a a .pdf on the matter above, http://www.vce.org/VT:ANR:DECPublicRecords/chlorinedioxideinman.pdf . Enjoy.

  44. Harris 23 October, 2013 at 9:09 am #

    What tRUTH bE tOLD is referring to is a 1981 study “Controlled clinical evaluations of chlorine dioxide, chlorite and chlorate in man.” A 1982 study by the same authors is available here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/

    Interestingly, all the publications are by the same central author, i.e., these studies have not been checked or reproduced by other researchers. Of course this does not invalidate the original studies but caution at taking these studies at face value is therefore required.

    On July 30, 2010 and again on October 1, 2010, the United States Food and Drug Administration, FDA, warned against the use of the product “Miracle Mineral Supplement” or “MMS”, which when made up according to instructions produces chlorine dioxide. MMS has been marketed as a treatment for a variety of conditions, including HIV, cancer, and acne (without any studies or proof confirming that MMS benefits these conditions). The FDA warnings informed consumers that MMS can cause serious harm to health, and stated that it has received numerous reports of nausea, severe vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure caused by dehydration, among other symptoms, such as diarrhea.
    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm220747.htm
    http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm228052.htm

    It would be good to have an official document that shows the concentration of chlorine dioxide that MMS creates, and secondly, actual proof by way of a controlled study showing that MMS has beneficial effects. One should ask why after all these years there is still not one single study. Anecdotal evidence is not acceptable for any treatment, whether mainstream or alternative medicine.

  45. Alida 23 October, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    Harris, our last conversation was on 6th May 2012. I have been “suffering” from Granuloma Annularae for 19 years now. I went into “remission” 3 times for about a year each time. I believe that by now I “understand” my body’s reaction to this illness. I have taken cotizone, Meticortin for a year and Medrol for longer than that with little effect, only causing a lot of damage/harm to my body. I have taken MMS now for more than 9 years, only when the rash occurs, according to protocol, with wonderful results. I am not prepared to use it on a daily basis, because of the fear that my body will get used to it and that it won’t have the same effect on the illness.
    Since I discovered MMS, I want to shout it out to the world that I found something that actually helps!!!!

  46. Harris 24 October, 2013 at 8:56 am #

    @Alida
    It is wonderful that you are much better, this is brilliant news. The way you describe the situation, you do suggest it was MMS. Maybe it was, maybe it was a coincidence, i.e., Confirmation bias: http://www.camcheck.co.za/critics/#confirmation

  47. Cindy 8 November, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    Hi there, i have a friend with melanoma, will this help! Thanks.

  48. Harris 8 November, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    @Cindy
    No! This will be gambling with her life.

  49. Tine van der Maas 12 November, 2013 at 11:08 am #

    Yes it will, but MMS alone is not enough.

  50. Harris 13 November, 2013 at 7:42 am #

    @Tine
    I can find no evidence that this is true (except personal belief). Could you please supply proof that it will help?

  51. Geeni D 8 January, 2014 at 10:34 pm #

    Well, I’ve read all the comments here, and Doc, sometimes people are so tired of nothing working that they’re willing to take the chance, irrespective, because nothing can be worse than living for years and years with problems that no medical doctors seem to be able to provide relief for. I’ve got nothing to lose, so based on all the positive comments about MMS, I’m going to try it out and make up my own mind. You never know, not everyone can be wrong about it.

  52. hlengiwe 4 February, 2014 at 10:34 pm #

    Hie!

    What supplements can be taken to boost your immune system when you have not started with your ARVs since you saying MMS is harmful?
    Cause I just read that Apple cider vinegar & Coconut oil work perfectly also taking your Vitamins Bcom plus help on that.

  53. Theresa Cloete 22 July, 2014 at 2:11 am #

    we have been treating Stage 1V malenoma successfully for the past 6years with a healthy diet and using Faith Drops daily, without any side effects.

    • Harris 22 July, 2014 at 6:46 am #

      @Theresa
      This is impossible. No-one can survive a Stage IV melanoma for 6 years, so either you are not being truthful, or the diagnosis was wrong. Please supply evidence from an oncologist or dermatologist to confirm your claim.

  54. Peter 8 January, 2015 at 12:18 pm #

    MMS works. And that is all to it. Harris is a Quack so called doctor who want to pump you full of Pharmaceutical drugs which is poisons and toxins. He doesn’t know nothing about nutrition and Health. Been using MMS for 7 years now. Never been sick once in 7 years, and never felt better. Quacks like harris just want to steal your money and pump you full of Pharmaceutical drugs which don’t work. So if you want to die listen to this Quack harris. MMS is the best. And very cheap to buy. Thank You Jim Humble

    • Harris 8 January, 2015 at 1:29 pm #

      Peter, who has commented above, is a seller of this product. It is clear that the truth will affect his sales.
      There is no evidence that Peter knows anything about nutrition and health.
      I do not make a cent from pointing out that MMS works and I do not sell any products, including Pharmaceutical drugs. Peter on the other hand, does make money from selling MMS.

      I repeat: there is NO evidence that MMS works.

  55. Harris 11 January, 2015 at 7:55 am #

    More on Wikipedia on the bullshit called Miracle Mineral Supplement, Master Mineral Solution, or MMS – with 38 references.

  56. Harris 11 January, 2015 at 8:16 am #

    “The man who encourages the sick and dying to drink industrial bleach” – an excellent overview on MMS published in the Guardian newspaper and reproduced here.

  57. Annamarie 12 July, 2015 at 8:33 pm #

    Hi can you please tell me if this will cure fibromyalgia?

    • Harris 13 July, 2015 at 7:43 am #

      @Annamarie
      Highly unlikely. Avoid.

  58. Paul van der Walt 14 March, 2016 at 6:14 pm #

    Well, well. Everybody up in arms about MMS. First and foremost, the one question I would like to ask all the people that is so quick to slam it, have you ever tried it yourself. I bet the answer is no. Activated MMS, which is Chlorine Dioxide in solution, is not bleach. Go and ask your schoolfees back, caus you obviously did not do wel in chemistry.

    On the FDA’s approved list is approximately 15 products containing Chlorine Dioxide, which is manufactured and sold by the larger pharmaceutical companies.

    The problem with about all alternative medicine, is that if it becomes mainstream knowledge, then it starts to impact on sales of the normal allopathic meds. Do your homework yourself, and don’t just believe what anybody tells you. There is trillions of dollars at stake if alternative meds become known to all people. What the FDA and their buddies don’t want to tell you, that should be more of a worry. The amount of deaths related to alopathic meds is more than 200,000 people per year, and that is a fact. How many people have died from MMS?

    Ask your doctor if he would prescribe chemo for his own family members, and the answer would probably be no. More than a million testimonials on the web can’t all be fake. Go and look up a product called JUNOl. Why has it dissapeared from the market.

    I would like to pose a challenge to the pharmaceutical companies, or for that matter to all the people that are against the use of MMS. Let us do a trail, but not in your labs where the evidence can be tampered with, but a trail by the ordinary man in the street, meaning that they can go to places in Africa, or other third world countries, in which there is no knowledge of the meds, and give it to people with malaria, and monitor the results with unbaised people, and then publish that results.

    Further more would I encourage any body to watch the video material, with an open and unbaised attitude, of Dr Andreas Kalker and his work with Chlorine Dioxide and parasites. After that, you might just change your mind.

    • Harris 14 March, 2016 at 6:45 pm #

      Sorry, this nonsense you write does not convince me and should not convince other readers. Your arguments are not only illogical but also implausible. There are far more prominent products that Big Pharma would target if they wanted to take a product of the market, this one is insignificant if it were not for the fact that the claims are so outlandish for severe medical conditions.

      “More than a million testimonials on the web can’t all be fake.” What rubbish.
      “Ask your doctor if he would prescribe chemo for his own family members” Yes, most would.
      “Let us do a trail, but not in your labs” – that is exactly what scientists are saying: do a proper trial (and it does not have to be in pharmaceutical labs!

      “Dr Andreas Kalker and his work with Chlorine Dioxide and parasites” – bad logic! If I pour Vitamin C on most organisms, it will kill them – but not because it is Vitamin C, but because the pure stuff is acidic. Take it orally, it does not do the same!

  59. Wouter 4 July, 2017 at 7:02 pm #

    Obviously there is no scientific evidence because science has not made an effort to trial MMS. But chemo can also not be scientific, not because it was not on trial but because it does not work 100%.

    Science suggest a process repeated numerous times and getting the same results every time. That said, Chemo does not have that luxury of being scientific. The results are different in different people. Dosage and type of chemical used depends on to many variables to make a scientific claim that it works. It’s trial by error until the patient die or live.

    I would be very delighted to see Dr Harris also start slamming the Chemo scam.

    On the other hand, MMS with no pharma science to back it probably has the same outcome as chemo and works on a trial by error basis, if I have to judge by the comments and anecdotal evidence ‘out there’

    MMS. It’s a scam to those that it did not cure and a miracle to those that benefit. Chemo should be a scam to those that die under treatment but alas. Most people pay for their mistakes, drs burry them.

    Both sides, alt and conv, make money so the making money argument against FDA is futile. Both sides loose and gain patients that could not be helped by the other. Thus claiming science proved meds is not a scam is also not solid.

    Point is. If you hate taking pharma-chemicals and would rather look after your body naturally, one should be free to choose MMS. Choose well, make informed decisions. Don’t trust Jim Humble neither Dr. Harris, they are both biased. Jim peddling MMS and Dr harris having had only med school where he was trained in pharma. Use good judgment and don’t overdose like one lady here who had flu.

    The fact that some people deliberately use some products to scam others is as old as the mountains and will never stop. This is true for MMS (Alternative non science based) and science based products. Scammers are everywhere.

    So stop slamming products that you have not self tried and tested. Stop demanding (evidence) from others what you can gather yourself as an intelligent schooled person.

    Until you have trial evidence that it does not work, you cannot say it’s a scam.

    • Harris 4 July, 2017 at 9:25 pm #

      @Wouter
      The kindest response I can give is that you have no idea how science works, and so your opinion is unfortunately completely ignorant and wrong.

      There is not a single chemo treatment in the world that has not been scientifically researched. The fact that it does not work 100% of the time, is in fact proven by science. In some cases, science shows that the benefit of the chemo is very, very low. The fact is that science gives evidence to how effective (or ineffective) the chemo may be, its risks, its safety profile, and therefore its risk-benefit ratio for the patient.

      In other words, if Mr X has pancreatic cancer, scientific evidence confirms that without treatment, almost none will survive for 5 years, whereas with treatment, maybe only 10% will survive 5 years. In some cases of cancer, the chemo may only give a very low chance of success, and this is explained to the patient, and then the patient AND doctor, make a decision whether to try the treatment. The patient always knows the risk, and the benefit. For example, from a 2014 study: “. . . the prognosis of patients with pancreatic cancer still remains poor, with a reported 5-year survival rate of less than 10%[2]. Development of more effective therapies is urgently needed.” Reference

      For MMS, there is no proof it works, and some proof of how risky and damaging it is.

  60. Wouter 5 July, 2017 at 10:03 am #

    Your kindness is misrepresented here Dr. Harris

    Argumentum ad hominem. You have no argument when you attack the person, calling him ignorant. tut-tut.

    So I’m not a scientist but hank you so much for clearing up that chemo does not work 100% of the time. As you said, “maybe only” and “may only give a low chance of success”.

    Interestingly, just this morning I got mail of a friend that died from cancer 3 days after the Dr sent him home because chemo did not work and they can do nothing further for him. Why in god’s name did they give him chemo in the first place if it does not work? Did they not know that chemo will not work? Oh yes, Dr. Harris, it works ‘maybe, only a low chance of success’.

    Using the straw-man fallacy to make your argument looks good is a no-brainer. Don’t attack my opinion by misrepresenting/diverting what I said. I did not say Chemo wasn’t put through scientific trials.

    So science tells us how effective a treatment is: When a R-CHOP treatment is 95% effective for Hodgkin’s with a 5 year survival rate, is it scientifically arrived at, how? By studying the treatment information gathered over a period of time for a certain number of people with Hodgkin’s. Because the people that gather the information are registered with the HPCSA or Med board, wear white overcoats and work in a medical facility, is it only their opinion that counts? That is presumptuous to think that only they are able to gather information, put it in a Excel spreadsheet and draw conclusions from it.

    Science (the gathering and studying of information of the world around us) can be done by anyone with half a brain. Setting up trials with control groups might be more effort but you get the same result. Treatment works or it does not work. The control group is not going to change the outcome of the applied treatment. It only rules out placebo effect and gives a base line to draw conclusions from. running a trial with a certain treatment on say, 1500 people, and you draw conclusion that it works 95% of the time, does not constitute a 95% ALL THE TIME! It’s an extrapolation from base line data. Like my friend who died this Sunday. He was told his cancer has a 35% survival rate. To him it was 0%. What I’m getting at here is that science is flawed because they could not tell him if he will survive or not, which of the 35% chance was his?

    Gathering information, studying it and drawing conclusions is science. Science of eg. chemo tells us how the chemo acts in the body and kills off the cancer cells. It’s done in vitro and in vivo. Then, when satisfied with the in vivo results it’s put to trial on humans but then the ‘How it works’ is not studied but the ‘how well for humans’ it works. If you can agree to this, then I have scientific evidence of how MMS works. Because it works – it does what they claim it to do – the only missing part is the human trial to see how well.

    This is where anecdotal evidence comes in for MMS. Science predicts that 21 to 40 percent of efficacy can be attributed to the Placebo effect. Take the number of anecdotal evidence for MMS, subtract 21-40% and you have a 60% – 79% chance it will work. Wow, that sounds a whole lot better than 35%, doesn’t it?

    So you are going to attack my science and logic here, and because you are the Dr. you will be drawing on the Argumentum ad verecundiam (appealing to authority – your own) to invalidate my logic/science/opinion.

    People will always look for other options when not satisfied with results from a previous option they chose. You might scare a few persons but you might just scare the one person away from a treatment that could have saved his life. Just as chemo ‘could’ have saved my friend, MMS(CD) could save others, placebo or not.

    The toxicity of chemo is 100% or more than that of CD. You ought to know how oncologists give cancer patients warning that ‘chemo can kill you’ and that after chemo, if they have signs of any (listed) symptoms, they should call the oncologist immediately so the patient can be monitored or stabilized, like my son who almost died from his first and only chemo 31 January 2017. He was supposed to have died (according to science) without science’s chemo treatment 3 weeks after diagnosis on15 Jan 2017 with Hodgkin’s stage 3 possibly 4, but he’s alive, doing very well and is only taking alternative treatment with 1 side effect. In fact, 4 week ago scans showed his pelvis area clear of cancer, only few cancerous nodes left in his abdomen and torso.

    This is because we gathered information, studied the information, studied the ‘how’ of the treatment, weighed the anecdotal evidence against the chemo evidence. That dear Dr. Harris. is science.

    1 side effect: My son developed an allergy (or so it looks like) to one of the alternative protocols so we’re substituting it with MMS. Information gathered, studied, weighed and decided. You’ll hear from me in a few months time.

    Just for the record. Here is science confirming Chlorine Dioxide / MMS
    https://frontierpharm.com/pages/the-science-of-dioxicare

    The safety tested for human consumption:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/pdf/envhper00463-0059.pdf

    The FDA approval for use in food
    FDA agrees it kills microbes
    chlorine dioxide.” FDA 21CFR173.300

    How it kills pathogens
    http://www.lenntech.com/index.htm#ixzz0wGcRVcfM

    Safe dosages in drinking water
    https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=580&tid=108

    • Harris 5 July, 2017 at 10:44 am #

      @Wouter
      You are misrepresenting everything.

      Firstly, it was not an “Argumentum ad hominem” attack. I am simply stating that your facts and arguments are wrong. And not mincing my words. I need to state this strongly to ensure that readers are not duped by your arguments. The problem with supporters of MMS is that they are unable to appreciate, or argue using FACTS.

      For example, the study you post (“Controlled Clinical Evaluations of Chlorine Dioxide, Chlorite and Chlorate in Man”) does not evaluate what is in MMS by exact ingredient, nor equivalent dose. MMS is a toxic solution of 28% sodium chlorite in distilled water. The product contains essentially the same ingredient as industrial-strength bleach before “activation” with a food-grade acid. [1]

      This applies to your other references as well – chlorine is used to sterile underground water, foods, etc., in a different method and dose that MMS. In other words, MMS IS NOT EQUIVALENT to the use of chlorine for use in sterilising water and foods. Let me put this another way – there are two forms of ascorbic acid, an L and D form. The one acts as a vitamin, the other has no vitamin effect at all.

      And finally, you are conflating my arguments by claiming “argumentum ad verecundiam”. I am simply stating that the FDA, the South African Medicines Control Council, Health Canada, and all other regulatory authorities, have spoken out or banned MMS – for very, very obvious reasons. And it is not because MMS is competition to other therapeutic options, but because it is a fraud and unsafe. It for MMS to submit evidence of efficacy and safety to regulatory authorities – they have not.

      This subject is now closed.

  61. Rex 21 December, 2017 at 8:51 am #

    Only some kind of idiot would say there s no proof that MMS works. There are two problems with MMS

    1. IT WORKS VERY VERY WELL
    2. IT VERY CHEAP

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating and much pudding has been eaten over many years to the good health of thousands of people. Clinical trials are mostly a farce. Everthing is anecdotal and any proof you pay for can be deduced from paid scientist. People spread the word far and wide. MMS WORKS. Lets bankcrupt the writer of this garbage and his bsckers – big pharma. Let take out the trash and get on with a healthy life. All the proof you need is to take MMS.

    • Harris 21 December, 2017 at 8:57 am #

      @Rex
      If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck, it is likely a duck.
      There is overwhelming evidence that MMS is a scam. There is very little evidence that it is not.
      Without any proof, only an idiot would say that MMS works

    • Wouter 21 December, 2017 at 9:43 am #

      @Rex

      Could not agree more… but unfortunately the Dr has ‘closed the subject’ for me.

      @ Dr Harris. I said that I’d be back, in a few month’s time to report on our use of MMS.

      Well, we had to take my son to hospital for pancreatitis shortly after our conversation. The Dr refused to treat him if he does not agree to undergo Chemo treatment. She told us to ‘stop using all alternative medicine because there is no proof that it works’

      The scans done on my son in Jan 2017 showed cancer stage 3 (possibly 4). The scans done by this Dr in July showed cancer stage 1 (maybe 2)!!!! She did not want to hear anything about alternative meds and did not want to discuss the subject (like you, ‘closing the subject’)

      My son, in pain from pancreatitis (unknown to us at that time what the cause of the pain was) agreed to chemo just to get treatment for the pain.

      My son died 8 Nov 2017!!!!! Three months after we stopped alternative treatment and Chemo started. 3 days before his death the Dr told us ‘sorry, the chemo did not work, it actually aggravated the cancer, I can do nothing more’

      According to medical scans and medical science, my son’s cancer has receded From January to July. I can tell you that he did not get ANY pharma drugs during that time and only used alternative medication. But in the three months from July to November, his health deteriorated at an alarming pace and he died.

      Open subject: In your last sentence to me, you say, and I quote:

      “I am simply stating that the FDA, the South African Medicines Control Council, Health Canada, and all other regulatory authorities, have spoken out or banned MMS – for very, very obvious reasons. And it is not because MMS is competition to other therapeutic options, but because it is a fraud and unsafe. It for MMS to submit evidence of efficacy and safety to regulatory authorities – they have not.”

      Let me show you your contradiction…

      you say al those boards have banned MMS because it’s a fraud and unsafe. But in the very same breath you say MMS has not submitted any evidence about effacacy and safety.

      How in god’s name can you call something unsafe when there is NO EVIDENCE about it’s safety submitted?

      If it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck and swims like a duck, it must be quackery.

      • Harris 21 December, 2017 at 10:41 am #

        @Wouter
        Really sorry to hear about your son. I cannot imagine how you feel.

        Unfortunately pancreatic cancer is very, very aggressive, and almost no-one survives despite any treatment.

        You will recall that Steve Jobs of Apple avoided orthodox treatment and tried alternative methods, which did not help.

        There is a belief that ALL doctors are in the pocket of Big Pharma. 100% of doctors. I take the view that most doctors want to do the BEST for their patients, and look for the BEST treatment because they really, really want to help. And if they have to choose between a treatment that has evidence versus one that does not, they will usually choose one that has some evidence. And sadly, with cancer, the evidence is often that the treatment works poorly, versus a treatment with no evidence. Many cancers have no good treatment in spite of massive amounts of money being spent on research. So as a doctor, do you choose a treatment that has evidence of only working in 5% of patients versus a treatment that has zero evidence? The doctor’s duty is to share this information with the patient, and the patient then in conjunction with the doctor, makes a decision.

        • Wouter 21 December, 2017 at 11:03 am #

          Dr Harris

          It was not pancreatic cancer. If you would refer to the previous postings you’d see it was Hodgkin’s Lymphoma.

          Thank you for your condolences.

          Regards

          • Harris 21 December, 2017 at 12:38 pm #

            @Wouter
            Apologies for the mistake, I mistook your mentioning of pancreatitis in association with chemo to think you meant pancreatic cancer. Is no excuse, I should have been more mindful.

            • Vernon Mather 26 December, 2017 at 1:07 am #

              Had Christmas lunch today with an acquaintance that had a Cerebral Malaria relapse for the last couple of days. I gave him two small-dose “treatments” of MMS about 90 minutes apart. He felt better within 20 minutes of the first dose and the symptoms had completely disappeared within 30 minutes of the second dose. I having been taking MMS for rheumatoid arthritis and when I started the treatment it worked immediately and have been using it for about 6 months. As a trial I left the treatment for a month and the arthritis returned with a vengeance. After two strong treatments two days ago (6 drops of both Sodium Chlorite and Citric Acid) six hours apart the arthritic pain disappeared completely and I have returned to the taking a single two drop treatment daily as a preventative/maintenance dose. The fact that the arthritis took about a month to return without treatment indicates that MMS treatment actually has long-term healing properties.

              • Harris 26 December, 2017 at 9:28 am #

                Nope, anecdotes and beliefs are not proof of effectiveness. Yesterday I took a Big Pharma product for my sinusitis, which cleared within 20 mins. Except – I thought I had taken it, but had left it on the table to still take.

                Improvement of arthritis in 4-6 week cycles, is related to ‘regression to the mean’.

                You realise of course, that if your acquaintance avoided using a known effective treatment for his malaria because of your convincing, and he subsequently dies, a charge can be laid against you with the police. That is, if he really had cerebral malaria to start with.

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