Miracle Magnesium oil scam/fraud – The evidence

, , ,

Posted 30 October 2013

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away – Philip K. Dick

To treat your facts with imagination is one thing, but to imagine your facts is another – John Burroughs

Overview Marcelle du Plessis / Body Detox makes the claim, among other, that “When Miracle Magnesium Oil™ is taken orally and Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ is sprayed daily over the entire body, it may be beneficial for . . . sinusitis.” (http://miraclemagnesiumoil.co.za)

We will briefly show the nonsense of this statement, and further below, show why the claims of Body Detox, and specifically for magnesium oil, are nonsense! [modal id=”5806″][/modal]

  1. I am a medical doctor who has worked a great deal of my life in the allergy field. I also personally have episodes of sinusitis. I would love to help myself and my patients. I am constantly reading allergy research and attend congresses world-wide. I know of NO research, and I am not aware of any credible doctor in this field using magnesium or magnesium oil for sinusitis. The same is applicable for eczema and asthma (although magnesium injected and inhaled in those during severe asthma has been tried, and nasal irrigations with salt/Dead Sea salt for those with hayfever, may be beneficial).
  2. Like ALL illnesses, one needs a specific dose for a therapeutic benefit. It can vary from disease to disease (and individual to individual). The way Marcelle du Plessis suggests you use the product, the dose is the same whether for sinusitis or “Colon Cancers”. What IS the correct dose for sinusitis? She/Body Detox does not have a clue for there is NO proof that magnesium oil is beneficial for sinusitis (see below for further elaboration on this point)
  3. Marcelle du Plessis, by making the claim highlighted above, is making a therapeutic claim. This means she is in direct conflict with the Medicine Act. She is acting illegally. As mentioned in a previous post, a member of the Medicines Control Council (MCC) wrote: “some if not all the products are medicines liable to registration. . . . the products pose a danger to public health and need urgent attention. More so, it is unethical, immoral and an abuse of individuals who happen to be suffering from these conditions.
  4. Common sense should make you ask: why is magnesium oil so heavily advertised by sellers of the product (and a handful of non-credible health professionals) for a wide range of conditions, but not utilised or recommended by the health profession in general? Something does not make sense!
  5. Marcelle du Plessis claims that Miracle magnesium oil comes from the Dead Sea, but then when pointed out that she manufactures some of her products in unsterile conditions, admits that magnesium oil is manufactured locally. Magnesium oil is NOT found in the Dead Sea, or elsewhere – it is manufactured locally. Depending on the raw ingredient, magnesium chloride, it may be obtained from the Dead Sea, but is more cheaply available elsewhere.
  6. Magnesium oil is NOT pure magnesium. It depends on the source of the raw material: magnesium chloride flakes or pellets. Typically Dead Sea magnesium chloride contains magnesium chloride, calcium chloride, sodium chloride, and potassium chloride but may also contain silicon dioxide, calcium oxide, aluminum oxide, magnesium oxide, iron(iii) oxide, sodium oxide, potassium oxide, titanium(iv) oxide, sulfur trioxide, phosphorus pentoxide, chloride, and bromide.

Let us now examine the details and the rest of Marcelle du Plessis’s / Body Detox’s claims. There are two aspects we need to address:

  1. Is she telling the truth about “Body Detox Miracle Magnesium Oil”?
  2. Does her claims for Magnesium oil for health benefits have any truth?
 

Are people lying when they say that Magnesium oil was beneficial to them? No, not really. We are saying that for the majority of claims, it will not. We are saying that taking the product orally, may help for cramps or other symptoms that SlowMag and other pills may help with (although there is no evidence to show this is true for magnesium oil), but for the majority of the claims, sheer nonsense. There are many reasons why people can believe a product works for them. These reasons are well known and can be read about here. Read “Placebo effect”, “Confirmation bias” and “Regression to the Mean”
 

CLAIM 1 The webpage makes the following claims: “Miracle Magnesium Oil™ that comes from the Dead Sea – due to its liquid form – is the best type of Magnesium for intestinal absorption”.
IS THIS THE TRUTH? This claim is FALSE

More . . .
Miracle Magnesium Oil does NOT come from the Dead Sea. It is a manufactured product using the following process:

  • 1/2 cup Magnesium Chloride Flakes
  • 1/2 cup distilled water
  • Boil the distilled water. Add to the magnesium chloride flakes, stir well until completely dissolved, cool and store.

Therefore the claim that miracle magnesium oil comes from the Dead Sea is FALSE as it is manufactured locally. HOWEVER, the ingredient magnesium chloride MAY be sourced from the Dead Sea, but I have “inside” information that the amount of magnesium chloride imported from this source by Body Detox is insufficient to manufacture the amount of product being sold, i.e., a minor amount is from the Dead Sea, the rest is obtained from a manufacturing process.

Magnesium chloride is the name for the chemical compounds with the formulas MgCl2 and its various hydrates MgCl2(H2O)x. Hydrated magnesium chloride can be extracted from ANY brine or sea water. In North America, magnesium chloride is produced primarily from Great Salt Lake brine. Using a similar process it is extracted from the Dead Sea. Magnesium chloride as the natural mineral bischofite is also extracted (via solution mining) out of ancient sea beds, e.g., the Zechstein seabed in northwest Europe. Some magnesium chloride is made from solar evaporation of seawater. Anhydrous magnesium chloride is the principal precursor to magnesium metal, which is produced on a large scale.

Hydrated magnesium chloride is the form most readily available. Magnesium chloride is most commonly used for dust control and road stabilization. Its second-most common use is ice control. Magnesium chloride also is used for a variety of other applications: fertilizer, mineral supplement for animals, wastewater treatment, wallboard, artificial seawater, feed supplement, textiles, paper, fireproofing agents, cements and refrigeration brine. It is also used in fire extinguishers. Magnesium chloride also is used in several medical and skin related (topical) applications. It has been used in pills as supplemental sources of magnesium, where it serves as a soluble compound that is not as laxative as magnesium sulphate (Epson salts), and more bioavailable than magnesium hydroxide and magnesium oxide, since it does not require stomach acid to produce soluble magnesium.

For example, MAG®, naturally harvested from the Dead Sea, is claimed to be a premier de-icer and premium ice melt product that provides the best performance used to combat ice and snow hazards.

 
Cost of making your own
At Body Detox for 100 mls of Magnesium Inflama Spray, you will pay R190.00. If you purchase magnesium chloride at Protea Chemicals (+27 12 804 9646) you will pay R8.04 per Kg. So mixing around 50 mls of magnesium chloride with 50 mls of water to make magnesium oil will cost you about 40 cents.  Miracle Magnesium Orange Spray 500 ml costs R550. You can make it yourself for R10.00 Miracle Magnesium Oil 500 ml costs R450. You can make it yourself for R10.00 Recipe:

  • 1/2 cup Magnesium Chloride Flakes
  • 1/2 cup distilled water
  • Boil the distilled water. Add to the magnesium chloride flakes, stir well until completely dissolved, cool.
  • Add food colourant
  • Store

CLAIM 2 “Magnesium chloride from the Dead Sea is superior to magnesium chloride from other sources”.
IS THIS TRUE? This claim is FALSE

More . . .
Pure magnesium chloride is exactly the same no matter from whatever source is comes from – unless impure! If impure, it will carry contaminants from the original source, e.g., low levels of heavy metals, bromide (particularly in impure Dead Sea salt.) Typically Dead Sea magnesium chloride – flakes & pellets – contains magnesium chloride, calcium chloride, sodium chloride, and potassium chloride but depending on where the magnesium is harvested from, may also contain silicon dioxide, calcium oxide, aluminum oxide, magnesium oxide, iron(iii) oxide, sodium oxide, potassium oxide, titanium(iv) oxide, sulfur trioxide, phosphorus pentoxide, chloride, and bromide. (An analysis by Dr. Olga Yoffe at the Geological Survey in Jerusalem])( Bromine from the Dead Sea – Weizmann Institute of Science)

CLAIM 3 “Magnesium oil is better absorbed through the skin”.
IS THIS TRUE? No real evidence that it is

More . . .
Many sites refer to a study by Watkins and Josling and published in The Nutrition Practitioner who found in their study, using magnesium oil, that “These results show that non self selected patients who exhibit variable levels of intracellular magnesium can improve this significantly and could therefore impact on many areas of general health and well being, including cardiovascular and skeletal fitness”. However, there are a number of claims that makes one doubt the credibility of the study, including their claim to have measured toxic mineral release measured in Hair analysis”. NO mainstream research has tested whether any form of magnesium can be absorbed through the skin. A study testing skin application of MagPro™ on muscle performance found no effect suggesting that magnesium is not absorbed through the skin.

There is certainly no impressive documented cases of people being cured of the diseases listed following swimming in the Dead Sea, and surely this is the best form of skin application?! After all, magnesium oil is simply magnesium chloride dissolved in water. Scientifically, Magnesium “Oil” DOES NOT absorb well through skin when in aqueous only solution, unless you literally bathe in it extensively for it is an ion (an atom or molecule with a net electric charge due to the loss or gain of one or more electrons), and ions don’t cross skin barriers easily.

Common sense should tell you that you did not become ill from the last time you swam for a long period in the swimming pool or in the ocean (unless you drank the water!). Did you get become sick from absorbing though your skin ALL the Chlorine, Magnesium, Calcium, phosphorus, etc? If ions easily crossed the skin then you WOULD have benefited or become sick. If it was easy for chemicals to be absorbed through the skin, imagine how ill you would be from absorbing all the chemicals in make-up, and soap, and under-arm deodorants!One study often referenced as proof that magnesium is absorbed through the skin is the one by Dr RH Waring,

Report on Absorption of magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts) across the skin, School of Biosciences, University of Birmingham. This study supposedly demonstrated that bathing in Epsom salts is a safe and effective way to increase your magnesium and sulfate levels in the body. This may be pure pseudoscience for, even if this study appears to be scientific, the website that did the “research study” is actually promoting transdermal magnesium and this specific study was not peer reviewed or published in an accredited journal or peer-reviewed research website. So it may be true, it may not – and it has never been independently repeated. In other words, this study is not verified. Furthermore, this study full body soaked people in Epsom salts – not nearly the same as spraying or applying a quantity to your skin. But, here it gets interesting, this published study showed that the skin barrier function was actually improved by magnesium bathing, i.e., blocking absorption!

There is not a single study that clearly shows or states that magnesium is passed through the skin. This is because it can’t really pass – magnesium is an ion, and ions cannot penetrate the skin easily without an additional process such as iontophoresis (electric current).  Furthermore, magnesium salts, whether it be magnesium “oil” or Epsom Salts ALWAYS dissolve in water to Mg ion + “other” ions (in this case, chloride and sulphate respectively). They are exactly the same ions, Mg +! So if you want to use it on your skin, then using edible, food grade USP Epsom Salts dissolved in distilled water or tap water will provide the same magnesium for your skin (and without the heavy metals that may be in some versions of Dead Sea salt).

Magnesium “Oil” is said to be around 560 times more expensive weight by weight! (However, this would also depend on your kidney and other organs’ functions.)

 

CLAIM 4 The Body Detox website claims: “A scientific test done by Dr. Norman Shealy, shows that the Magnesium in Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ is best absorbed trans-dermally”.
IS THIS TRUE? The claim is FALSE

More . . .
Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray has never been tested by Dr Norman Shealy. At best Body Detox is trying to infer because Dr Shealy promotes his version of magnesium oil, that Body Detox’s version is the same.   Interestingly, Dr Norman Shealy considers that he has been reincarnated from a past lifetime of his in which he was John Elliotson, a 19th century physician in Britain who was also a medical innovator and pain specialist. The highly reputable Quickwatch has listed Dr Shealy as a “Promoter[s] of Questionable Methods and/or Advice” and the Department of Health and Human Services of Kansas previously sent Dr Shealy a warning letter. 

The “Encyclopedia of American Loons” has listed him as deserving this title and in particular for his book, “AIDS: Passageway to Transformation” for which a critic wrote “One of the most irresponsible books ever written. There is no scientific evidence to support the “holistic” approaches mentioned in it” and “If you are looking for a book that was trying to make a buck off the of AIDs scare, look no further”. (We need to emphasise that Dr Shealy was at one time a highly regarded doctor who then appears to have “lost the plot” and started making claims that could not be proven)

CLAIM 5 Body Detox claims that “Miracle Magnesium Oil may provide more bio available Magnesium per milliliter than a supplement in tablet form.”
IS THIS TRUE?
No evidence to confirm whether this is true or not.
More . . .
  Absorption of magnesium from different kinds of magnesium supplements varies. Forms of magnesium that dissolve well in liquid are more completely absorbed in the gut than less soluble forms. Small studies have found that magnesium in the aspartate, citrate, lactate, and chloride forms is absorbed more completely and is more bioavailable than magnesium oxide and magnesium sulphate (Epsom salts).  Furthermore, and very importantly, the dose VARIES according to the condition. Magnesium oil does not bear this adequately in mind. See discussion further down.  The bioavailability of magnesium supplements varies. Magnesium chloride (in Slo-Mag), magnesium lactate (Mag-Tab SR), and magnesium aspartate appear to be most bioavailable. Magnesium oxide (MagOx) and magnesium sulfate have bioavailability only of about 4%

CLAIM 6 The webpage makes the following claims: “Dr. Sircus points out that trans-dermal applied Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ and orally taken Miracle Magnesium Oil™, offers advantages over other neuron-protective agents and may reduce disability after a stroke. According to “The Magnesium Miracle” (Dr. Carolyn Dean), the Magnesium in Miracle Magnesium Oil™ is important in lowering blood pressure, keeping the heart-muscle from going into spasm, lowering cholesterol, and it may help heal the damage in the brain caused by a stroke.”
IS THIS TRUE?
No, not exactly.

More . . .
  Neither Dr Mark Sircus nor Dr Carolyn Dean are proper doctors or experts in the field but sellers of magnesium oil. It is a complete lie that “Dr. Sircus points out that trans-dermal applied Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ and orally taken Miracle Magnesium Oil™, offers advantages over other neuron-protective agents and may reduce disability after a stroke – he has not evaluated these products. Furthermore, there is no evidence that Body-Detox’s product is even equivalent to that of Dr Sircus. Dr Sircus is an acupuncturist who calls himself a “Doctor of Oriental and Pastoral Medicine”. The website, DepletedCranium.com, claims that Dr Mark Sircus, claims that sodium bicarbonate (bircarbonate of soda / baking soda) & Maple Syrup, could cure cancer! This would suggest caution of for his other claims. Dr Carolyn Dean is also included on the list of the reputable Quackwatch’s “Promoters of Questionable Methods and/or Advice“ and the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario (Canada), after reviewing her care of 36 patients, concluded that Carolyn Dean, M.D. was unfit to practice and revoked her registration certificate (“disgraceful, dishonourable and unprofessional conduct”).   The simple point being made is that of the most prominent “health professionals” on the web who support the use of magnesium oil, that their credibility and expertise is questionable.

CLAIM 7 At the Body Detox website, http://miraclemagnesiumoil.co.za, the following claim is made. The following comment was made by BodyDetox: “Concerning the rulings against BodyDetox’s Miracle Magnesium: There are literally thousands of relevant Clinical Trials done by reputable Universities and expert Researchers abroad and which have been published in Medical Journals on the efficacy of Magnesium. We submitted this evidence to ASA and because it has not been researched in South Africa on our Magnesium they disregarded the evidence.”

IS THIS TRUE?
This is false (actually a lie).
More . . .
The ASA did NOT rule against BodyDetox’s Miracle Magnesium because “ . . .has not been researched in South Africa on our Magnesium they disregarded the evidence.”

It is true that “There are literally thousands of relevant Clinical Trials done by reputable Universities and expert Researchers abroad and which have been published in Medical Journals on the efficacy of Magnesium” – BUT not in the context that Marcelle du Plessis claims. The actual truth is that there are thousands of relevant studies that demonstrate the role of magnesium in the body as it is an important and vital ingredient in over 350 metabolic processes AND associated with a number of conditions/diseases, but NOT that thousands of clinical trials have demonstrated that giving magnesium or magnesium oil will have ANY beneficial effect in the lists of conditions mentioned by Body Detox. In some conditions, there has been some advantage but only when given intravenously. In others, results have been conflicting. See the discussion elsewhere in this posting. But NO research was done for magnesium oil.

Different forms of magnesium salts, e.g., magnesium sulphate and magnesium oxide, have very different degrees of absorption. Therefore one cannot “guess” what the truth is but one has to test to find out what the truth is. And nothing has been tested for magnesium oil or magnesium chloride in most of the studies for the conditions that Body Detox lists.

The purpose of making this claim is in order to SELL an unproven product and therefore contrary to the ASA code which protects consumers. See below where we show how Marcelle du Plessis uses quackery, pseudoscience, and possibly even fraud, to make claims for the benefit of Miracle Magnesium oil for various illnesses.

CLAIM 8 At the Body Detox website, http://miraclemagnesiumoil.co.za ,the claim is made: “Most people are severely Magnesium deficient and are blissfully unaware of the health complications associated with Magnesium deficiency. The typical western diet does not supply sufficient Magnesium.
IS THIS TRUE?
Yes, and no, and a lot of pseudoscience thrown in.
More . . .
We obtain magnesium in our diet, with an “average intake” of 360mg per day. Most foods contain magnesium, though some have more than others. (Selected Food Sources of Magnesium). A study in the USA concluded that almost half (48%) of the US population consumed less than the required amount of magnesium from food in 2005-2006. But the study did not examine whether the body was low in magnesium or not. The study was titled, “Suboptimal magnesium status in the United States: are the health consequences underestimated?”

In other words, no association between decreased intake and health consequences was examined. It is possible that although people consumed less magnesium, that the body adapted to taking less in. In other words, as stated by the Complementary and Alternative Medicine Guide, University of Maryland Medical Center: although you may not get enough magnesium from your diet, it’s rare to be truly deficient in magnesium. I personally would trust the Complementary and Alternative Medicine Guide, University of Maryland Medical Center, over anything Marcelle du Plessis says.

Although most individuals will absorb magnesium normally, certain medical conditions, however, can upset the body’s magnesium balance e.g., those taking diuretics, may have lower levels of magnesium. Alcoholism, kidney or liver disease, and various gastrointestinal malabsorption conditions (e.g., Crohn’s disease) can all reduce magnesium levels.

Symptomatic magnesium deficiency due to low dietary intake in otherwise-healthy people is uncommon because the kidneys limit urinary excretion of this mineral. However, in chronically ill individuals or those with regularly low intakes or excessive losses of magnesium due to certain health conditions, chronic alcoholism, and/or the use of certain medications can lead to magnesium deficiency.  (Office of Dietary Supplements – National Institutes of Health)

Furthermore, in science (not “pseudoscience”), one must differentiate between a “cause” and “association”. Some illnesses are “caused” by a low level of magnesium, whereas others (the great majority), magnesium is simply associated with the condition because of the physiology of the condition – and giving magnesium as a supplement may make no difference to that condition. For example, there are a few conditions where proven low levels of magnesium, in some individuals, have been associated with the development of various disease states such as osteoporosis, hypertension, atherosclerotic vascular disease, cardiomyopathy, diabetes, and stroke.

However, this also depends on the population. Is there any evidence that South Africans are deficient in magnesium? For example, you?

Significantly, no similar studies have been conducted in South Africa – so one can only guess whether the results are similar or very different. What does all this mean? That you may not be magnesium deficient in the first place, and taking over what you need has zero beneficial effect!

CLAIM 9 The Body Detox website claims: “When Miracle Magnesium Oil™ is taken orally and Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ is sprayed daily over the entire body, it may be beneficial for the symptoms below” followed by a list including: Arteriosclerosis(Calcification of the arteries)                          Heartburn       Infertility Osteoporosis                     Indigestion                                     Bad body odor Blood clots                         All allergies                                    Dermatitis Bad blood circulation         Anxiousness                                  Acne Cold hands and feet          PMS, Menstrual Cramps              ADD and ADHD Diabetes                            Menopausal Symptoms                Bad breath Insulin resistance               All pain, including Muscle and Joint pain Varicose veins Low blood-sugar levels      Migraines, Headaches                  Bunions Colon Cancers                  Depression                                    Sore feet Constipation                       Strokes                                          High cholesterol Water retention                  High- and low blood pressure       Athlete’s foot Fatigue, Tiredness,            Insomnia                                        Restless legs Kidney stones                    Heart attacks                                 Arthritis Candida                             Cramps, Spasms                          Breast Cancer Sinusitis                             Osteoarthritis                                 Asthma  

IS THIS TRUE?
This is mostly untrue or a misuse or corruption of the truth. 

More . . .
It is true that more than 325 enzymes regulating energy production, muscle strength, nerve cell function, healing, immunity, blood sugar control, hormones and DNA require magnesium. Without magnesium any or all of these processes malfunction. Similarly, sodium, potassium, calcium and other minerals and vitamins are required for a wide range of conditions, and it is true that a deficiency of magnesium may lead to certain symptoms, e.g., early signs of magnesium deficiency include loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, and weakness. As magnesium deficiency worsens, numbness, tingling, muscle contractions and cramps, seizures, personality changes, abnormal heart rhythms, and coronary spasms can occur. Severe magnesium deficiency can result in low serum calcium (hypocalcemia) or low serum potassium (hypokalemia) because mineral homeostasis is disrupted. [Office of Dietary Supplements – National Institutes of Health]  

However, will ordinary consumers benefit from magnesium, as Body Detox claims, “magnesium oil . . . may be beneficial for the symptoms . . . e.g. .colon cancer”. Firstly, colon cancer, sinusitis, menopausal symptoms, allergies, etc., are NOT symptoms. They are complex conditions.  In other words, a magnesium deficiency can present with some symptoms – listed above, but conditions are complex and MAY be associated with a number of metabolic derangements but the derangements are NOT a CAUSE of the condition.  For example, in some cases asthmatics, magnesium levels may drop because of the asthma but giving oral or magnesium on the skin has NOT been shown to be beneficial – other urgent steps need to be taken e.g. intravenous magnesium in selected cases.

Body Detox dangerously gives the idea that magnesium oil will help. And what if you have asthma with a normal level of magnesium? The same analogy applies to all the other conditions in the list, including colon cancer!  In other words, there is NO proof that taking magnesium oil, will treat/cure or help these conditions.  What are the main medicinal effects of consuming magnesium? In medical and pharmacy practice, it has several demonstrated uses – the most well-known are probably as an antacid or laxative. Milk of magnesia (MOM) works because magnesium is partially absorbed – enough stays in the bowel, drawing water into the colon and softening and dislodging anything below

Magnesium may be effective for some types of migraine and cluster headaches and a few other conditions, but not nearly as in the list that Body Detox claims. In cases where drugs or diseases have reduced blood magnesium levels, supplementation is appropriate.  It appears that one of Marcelle du Plessis, and others promoting magnesium oil, is the tendency to link one effect with another unrelated condition – a logical fallacy. In other words, because cheese is yellow and the moon sometimes looks yellow, that the moon is made from cheese. Or an example related to her claims: because intravenous magnesium may sometimes benefit some patients during an acute asthma attack, that therefore applying magnesium oil to the skin, or taking it orally, will help asthma. Dangerous nonsense. 

The Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database (NMCD) (“Unbiased, Scientific Clinical Information on Complementary, Alternative, and Integrative Therapies”) has no entry in the database on magnesium oil. It does not exist as far as these experts are concerned. The Natural Standard, “the Authority of Integrative Medicine”) does not recognise “magnesium oil”.

However, NMCD does state for magnesium (the various forms such as sulphate, gluconate, etc) that people use “magnesium” for:  “Orally, magnesium is used for treating and preventing hypomagnesemia. It is also used orally as a laxative for constipation and for preparation of the bowel for surgical or diagnostic procedures. Magnesium is also used orally for treating symptoms of asthma and allergic rhinitis; for cardiovascular diseases including angina, arrhythmias, hypertension, coronary heart disease and hyperlipidemia, low high-density lipoprotein (HDL) levels, mitral valve prolapse, vasospastic angina, myocardial infarction, multiple sclerosis; and as an antacid for symptoms of gastric hyperacidity.

It is also used orally for treating attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), anxiety, chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), Lyme disease, fibromyalgia, pregnancy-induced leg cramps, nocturnal leg cramps, diabetes, kidney stones, migraine headaches, osteoporosis, premenstrual syndrome, altitude sickness, urinary incontinence, kidney stones, erythromelalgia, restless leg syndrome, and for preventing hearing loss. Magnesium is also used orally by athletes to increase energy and endurance. Topically, magnesium is used for treating infected skin ulcers, boils, and carbuncles; and for speeding wound healing.

It is also used topically as a cold compress in the treatment of erysipelas and as a hot compress for deepseated skin infections. Parenterally, magnesium is used for acute hypomagnesemia occurring in conditions such as pancreatitis, malabsorption disorders, and cirrhosis, and for treating pre-eclampsia and eclampsia. It is also used as an additive to total parenteral nutrition (TPN) for prevention of hypomagnesemia. Intravenously, magnesium is used for controlling seizures associated with epilepsy, glomerulonephritis, or hypothyroidism when low serum magnesium levels are present.

It is also used intravenously in the treatment of atrial and ventricular arrhythmias, including torsades de pointes, for preventing arrhythmias after myocardial infarction, and for cardiac arrest. Magnesium is also used intravenously for treating acute exacerbations of asthma and chronic obstructivepulmonary disease (COPD), for migraine headaches, neuropathic pain and postoperative pain, as an osmotic agent for cerebral edema, and for tetanus.”  Note: This simply means that having examined all inputs, this is what they hear people use it for – not that it is acceptable or correct.  

HOWEVER, under their section where they evaluate the evidence for these uses, they find little evidence to back up these claims.   Note, the NMCD evaluates collectively the evidence for the various forms of magnesium, for example, for heartburn it is NOT magnesium chloride that is beneficial but magnesium carbonate, hydroxide, oxide, or trisilicate salts. Here is the NMCD’s summary of the evidence (proof) for the various illnesses or symptoms, summarised by various ranges of effectiveness.

The NMCD’s definition of the effective rating is included. Details of the summaries are mostly excluded to prevent overloading the reader with data)  

EFFECTIVE = (Definition: This product has a very high level of reliable clinical evidence supporting its use for a specific indication. Products rated Effective are generally considered appropriate to recommend.)   Constipation. Dyspepsia. (heartburn) Hypomagnesemia.  

LIKELY EFFECTIVE = (Definition: This product has a very high level of reliable clinical evidence supporting its use for a specific indication. Products rated “Likely Effective” are generally considered appropriate to recommend.)   Pre-eclampsia and eclampsia. (Intravenous or intramuscular magnesium sulfate Torsades de pointes. Administering magnesium intravenously  

POSSIBLY EFFECTIVE
(Definition: This product has some clinical evidence supporting its use for a specific indication; however, the evidence is limited by quantity, quality, or contradictory findings. Products rated “Possibly Effective” might be beneficial, but do not have enough high-quality evidence to recommend for most people.)
 
Arrhythmias. Administering magnesium intravenously Asthma. Administering magnesium intravenously Cancer-associated neuropathic pain. Administering magnesium intravenously Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). Administering magnesium intramuscularly Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Administering magnesium intravenously Cluster headache. Administering magnesium intravenously Coronary artery disease. Taking magnesium orally seems to reduce anginal attacks in people with coronary artery disease (1181). Diabetes. Higher dietary magnesium intake is associated with lower fasting insulin concentrations in adults and obese children and a reduced risk of developing type 2 Fibromyalgia. Taking magnesium hydroxide plus malic acid (Super Malic tablets) orally. Hearing loss. Taking magnesium orally seems to prevent hearing loss in individuals exposed to loud noise (1205). Hypercholesterolemia. Some evidence that taking magnesium chloride and magnesium oxide orally can produce small decreases in low-density lipoprotein (LDL) and total cholesterol levels, and small increases in high-density lipoprotein (HDL) levels. However, magnesium does not seem to improve lipoprotein (a) levels (1193). Kidney stones (nephrolithiasis). Taking magnesium orally seems to prevent the recurrence of kidney stones.
Metabolic syndrome. Higher magnesium intake from diet and supplements is associated with a 27% lower risk of developing metabolic syndrome in healthy women (13371) and a 31% lower risk in healthy young adults (14304).
Migraine headache. Taking high-dose magnesium citrate or trimagnesium dicitrate orally seems to reduce the frequency and severity of migraine headaches (4891,9498). However, other research suggests that magnesium doesn’t have any effect (10661).
Mitral valve prolapse. Taking magnesium orally seems to reduce symptoms of mitral valve prolapse in people with low serum magnesium levels (1191).
Osteoporosis. Post-hysterectomy pain. Administering magnesium intravenously
Premenstrual syndrome (PMS). Taking magnesium orally seems to relieve symptoms of PMS. Stroke. There is some evidence that increasing dietary magnesium intake might decrease the relative risk of stroke in men. However, there is no proof that taking magnesium supplements has this same effect (9001,9002).
Vasospastic angina. Administering magnesium intravenously  

LIKELY INEFFECTIVE
Nil conditions listed 

INEFFECTIVE
Nil conditions listed 

INSUFFICIENT RELIABLE EVIDENCE to RATE
Anxiety. Attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Hypertension. Multiple sclerosis (MS). Pregnancy-related leg cramps. Preterm labor. Restless leg syndrome. Sudden cardiac death.    
Therefore, not only does mainstream science  NOT support the claims of Body Detox, but alternative medicine databases do not exactly.
These are some of the recent publications in main stream medicine. A study testing whether a skin application of a body lotion enriched with minerals from the Dead Sea with 2 different placebos for uremic itching found no difference. However, balneotherapy (the treatment of disease by bathing in mineral springs) in the Dead Sea, has been found to be helpful in a few conditions.

This is NOT the same as spraying or applying magnesium oil to the skin or taking it by mouth. Irrigating the nose for the treatment of chronic rhinosinusitis (hayfever) using hypertonic Dead Sea salt (DSS) solution with hypertonic saline showed some beneficial effect. This is NOT the same as spraying or applying magnesium oil to the skin or taking it by mouth. In recent studies, what has been shown is that the benefits of magnesium intake seem to be related to consuming foods rich in magnesium, and not magnesium supplements. In other words, similar to many studies of vitamins, other minerals and antioxidants, the benefits appear to be only when eating a food containing these compounds appeared to be beneficial, but not when given as supplements – no beneficial effect was demonstrated.

An example: a study of 38,772 older women concluded: “In older women, several commonly used dietary vitamin and mineral supplements may be associated with increased total mortality risk; this association is strongest with supplemental iron.”   The only people or companies claiming that your body requires magnesium for a wide range of conditions, as listed on the Body Detox site, are companies trying to dupe you into buying their products. Don’t believe us? Do an Internet search while considering this question: how many prominent health professionals support magnesium oil or similar products for the conditions listed on the Body Detox website? (There are a handful of “doctors” – mentioned by Body Detox – also trying to convince you that magnesium oil is effective, but they are of questionable credibility – and are also trying to sell you their version of magnesium oil!

 

CLAIM 10 Magnesium oil is beneficial for skin conditions

IS THIS TRUE?
This is mostly untrue or a misuse or corruption of the truth.

More . . .
There is some evidence that bathing allergic individuals in Dead Sea salt for 15 minutes in a bath containing 5% Dead Sea salt helped in a subgroup with elevated basal transepidermal water loss. Note, this is very different from spraying a thin layer of Body Detox products on your skin.
 
CLAIM 11 The webpage makes the following claims: A shortage of Magnesium may lead to calcification of the arteries, muscles and brain. This is aging. Calcification of the arteries, also known as Arteriosclerosis, may lead to heart attacks and strokes. Miracle Magnesium Oil™ with Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ may serve as an essential supplement to counteract calcification in both cases.
IS THIS TRUE?

There is no proof that:

More . . .

  1. Miracle Magnesium Oil™ with Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ may serve as an essential supplement to counteract calcification in both cases, and/or
  2. the dose provided by these two products will supply the body in a correct or recommended dose. In other words, if research has shown that the average person needs 250 mg of panado to relieve a headache, then using less than this dose is less likely to help. How much magnesium does Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray provide the body? In this instance, we need proof that magnesium will be absorbed through the skin, and that the correct dose is being provided.

CLAIM 12 The site claims that “Miracle Magnesium Oil™ has an antibacterial action and it promotes wound healing.”

IS THIS TRUE?
No, obviously not. Common sense tells us that if this were true, every hospital throughout the world would be using this or a similar product. They do not.  

CLAIM 13 The Body Detox website states that “There is good evidence now that Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ has a strong positive effect on skin diseases like Psoriasis. This is because it disinfects and softens the affected skin. 80 % of people who have used Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ twice daily during one month has seen a drastic improvement whereby they did not have to use any of their regular treatments.

IS THIS TRUE?
This is mostly untrue or a misuse or corruption of the truth.

More . . .

We searched alternative medicines, complementary medicine and mainstream medicine databases and can find NO evidence that either these products, not its active ingredient, magnesium oil, has any benefit for psoriasis. Marcelle du Plessis is practising pseudoscience: because cheese is yellow, the moon is yellow, therefore the moon is made of cheese. Dead Sea climatotherapy (climatotherapy refers to temporary or permanent relocation of a patient to a region with a climate more favourable to recovery from or management of a condition) has been shown to have a similar effect compared to other treatments for psoriasis. But not all studies agree, some showing little to nothing. Balneotherapy (the treatment of disease by bathing in mineral springs), often combined with and UVB radiation, has had mixed results. This is NOT the same as spraying or applying magnesium oil to the skin or taking it by mouth.

 

CLAIM 14 Is the dosage used by Body Detox, i.e., a very narrow dose range for a wide range of conditions, correct or possible.

IS THIS TRUE?
Does not make any sense, and mainly, there is not a single bit of proof that the  Body Detox dose is correct.

More . . .
By comparison, we are comparing Body Detox claims with that of the Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database.
Dosage/Administration:          
Natural Medicine Comprehensive Database reports on the dosages used in research (positive or negative). Read in conjunction with the “Efficacy” conclusions above. It is unlikely that Miracle Magensium Oil to deliver the same dosages. Note, most show ZERO evidence for magnesium chloride (the ingredient in magnesium “oil”, but for other forms of magnesium)
ORAL: For treatment of mild magnesium deficiency, 3 grams of magnesium sulfate (294 mg elemental magnesium) every 6 hours for 4 doses has been used (15). For treatment of constipation in adults, 8.75-25 grams of magnesium citrate (1.4-4 grams elemental magnesium) has been used, typically as 150-300 mL of a 290 mg/5 mL solution (15). Magnesium hydroxide 2.4-4.8 grams (1-2 grams elemental magnesium) has also been used, typically as 30-60 mL of milk of magnesia, 400 mg/5 mL (15). Magnesium sulfate 10-30 grams (0.98-2.94 grams elemental magnesium) has also been used (15).

Magnesium salts should only be used for occasional treatment of constipation, and doses should be taken with a full 8 oz glass of water. For use as an antacid in adults, 400-1200 mg magnesium hydroxide (5-15 mL of milk of magnesia 400 mg/5 mL, 167-500 mg elemental magnesium) has been used up to 4 times daily. Magnesium oxide 800 mg (483 mg elemental magnesium) daily has also been used (15). For reducing the frequency and severity of migraine headaches, 1830-3625 mg magnesium citrate (300-600 mg elemental magnesium) daily in divided doses has been used for up to 3 months (4891,9498). Magnesium oxide 400 mg (241.3 mg elemental magnesium) twice daily has also been used (6844). For reducing the frequency and severity of migraine headaches in children, 15 mg/kg magnesium oxide (9 mg/kg of elemental magnesium) per day in 3 divided doses has been used for up to 16 weeks (10663).

For treatment of hypomagnesemia in patients with type 2 diabetes, a 5% solution of magnesium chloride has been used orally, in a dose of 2.5 grams magnesium chloride (300 mg elemental magnesium) daily for 16 weeks (10664). For hypertension, 240-960 mg daily of elemental magnesium has been used (1192,1199,9465). For osteoporosis, 300-1800 mg daily of magnesium hydroxide (125-750 mg daily of elemental magnesium) has been used for 6 months, followed by 600 mg of magnesium hydroxide (250 mg elemental magnesium) daily for 18 months (9104).

For premenstrual syndrome (PMS), 333 mg of magnesium oxide (200 mg of elemental magnesium) has been used daily for 2 menstrual cycles (1188). A higher dose of 360 mg elemental magnesium three times daily (as magnesium pyrrolidone carboxylic acid) has been used from the 15th day of the menstrual cycle until the onset of menstrual flow (1187).

For pregnancy-related leg cramps, elemental magnesium 120 mg in the morning and 240 mg in the evening has been used, as a specific mixture of magnesium lactate and citrate (Nycoplus Magnesium) (1194,14331,17463).

For attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), 6 mg/kg/day of magnesium aspartates and lactates for 6 months has been used in children 7-12 years old (1189). For multiple sclerosis, magnesium glycerophosphate 1 gram daily (100 mg elemental magnesium) in divided doses has been used for 6 weeks, then increasing to 1.5 grams daily (150 mg elemental magnesium) in divided doses (9499).

Further reading on the magnsium oil scam  At http://www.worldhairloss.org/index.php/forums/viewthread/93/P0/ is a very extensive posting by a doctor who has evaluated the claims for magnesium oil, and in particular, for hairloss, and why magnesium oil is useless for hair loss treatment (but other aspects are considered). The posting made some very important and valid comments, e.g.,

  • The only references to a “GREAT MAG OIL ABSORPTION THROUGH SKIN” are in “THE TAO OF DETOX” and “MAGNESIUM OIL MIRACLE” kind of books and in websites that sell MAGNESIUM OIL.
  • They are BACKED UP by the two greatest “world magnesium experts” like Mark Sircus, An acupuncturist and Daniel Reid, which holds a Masters of Arts degree in Chinese Language and Civilization.
  • They tell you something true, so you basically think everything that follows is also true, as they establish as authorities, and they LEAD you to other incorrect statements so you also believe those are true too, usually false and misleading statements about why their product is magical and better than already existing cheap ones, or exaggerate any real advantage they can have.
  • Revolving Doors Scheme: Some experts endorse a product, and the product in turn references and sources themselves ONLY in those same experts!

See also our expose of Marcelle du Plessis /BodyDetox          
Some References: 


[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23235599
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_chloride
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_chloride
[4] http://www.meltsnow.com/products/magnesium/dead-sea-works-mag-pellets-and-mag-flakes/
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea#Chemistry
[6] http://www.iclfertilizers.com/Fertilizers/DSW/Documents/MSDS%20Magnesium%20Chloride%20Hexahydrate%20Flakes.pdf
[7] Ma’or, Zeev et al. “Antimicrobial properties of Dead Sea black mineral mud”, International Journal of Dermatology, May 2006. Retrieved on 2008-04-13.
[8] http://www.weizmann.ac.il/sci-tea/Brombook/pdf/chapter2%20.pdf
[9] http://www.cnelm.com/NutritionPractitioner/Issues/Issue_11_1/Articles/7%20Transdermal%20Mg%20revised2.pdf
[10] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22067254
[11] http://www.mgwater.com/transdermal.shtml
[12] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-4632.2005.02079.x/abstract
[13] http://www.worldhairloss.org/index.php/forums/viewthread/93/P0/

[14] http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-reincarnation-norm-shealy-past-life-lives

[15] http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/
[16] http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/1998/shealy.shtml

[17] http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2012/10/355-c-norman-shealy.html
[18] http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/
[19] http://drsircus.com/medicine/magnesium/uses-of-magnesium-oil
[20] http://www.idigmygarden.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-43851.html
[21] http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/
[22] http://www.casewatch.org/foreign/dean/dean.shtml

[23] http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/
[24] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22364157
[25] http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/magnesium
[26] Rude RK. Magnesium. In: Ross AC, Caballero B, Cousins RJ, Tucker KL, Ziegler TR, eds. Modern Nutrition in Health and Disease. 11th ed. Baltimore, Mass: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins; 2012:159-75.
[27] http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/
[28] http://naturaldatabase.therapeuticresearch.com/
[29] http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/
[30] http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/magnesium-the-cure-to-all-disease/
[31] http://naturaldatabase.therapeuticresearch.com/home.aspx?cs=&s=ND
[32] http://www.naturalstandard.com/search-google.asp?text=magnesium+oil&GO.x=0&GO.y=0
[33] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19672115
[34] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16735920
[35] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21987192
[36] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15689218
[37] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17910722
[38] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16120152
[39] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=dead%20sea%20Balneotherapy%20psoriasis
 CamCheck posts related to Miracle Magnesium 
 

, , ,

170 Responses to Miracle Magnesium oil scam/fraud – The evidence

  1. Elizabeth 30 October, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this allegations will be

  2. Dewald 5 November, 2013 at 10:37 pm #

    I’ve had some serious issues with the “Miracle” spray for years and have spoken to pharmacists about it, basically the bottom line is that logic/rationale like the above about this product is great – but it does not hold up to nice full page adverts in the “Huisgenoot” and “Weg” to market it to desperate people who does not know better, the bottom line is still the best motivator. Elizabeth – do your homework, time after time “Body Detox” has been shown to be charlatans who are out to fool the public, with any company making any medical claim the onus of proof lies on them to show that the treatment is effective and safe – not on the public. “Body Detox” has got some detoxing to do…

  3. Helen Strydom 31 December, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    I just bought the oil and the Magnesium Inflama spray,but after reading the above, I am now scared to use it. I am 78 years old.
    If it is a scam and you advise me not to use it, then I will get rid of it and loose the money I paid for it, or perhaps try and get my money back from them.

    Regards

  4. Helen Strydom 31 December, 2013 at 12:50 pm #

    I have just bought the Mircale Magnesium Oil and Magnesium inflame spray. I have just read the above, and am now scared to use it. I am 78 years old. If really is a scam, is there any way that I can get my money back, otherwise I will throw it away and live with it that I just wasted my money. What will be the side effects should I use it.

    Regards

  5. Gerda Naude 1 January, 2014 at 9:52 pm #

    I am using it for almost a year it helped for cramps and to keep me regular but I am scared to continue. Can it harm me in any way please let me know.

  6. Harris 2 January, 2014 at 7:55 am #

    @Helen and Gerda
    If you are spraying it on your skin, it is worthless and mostly harmless. If you are drinking it, then it is like drinking Epsom salts.

  7. bonakele Mbhele 2 January, 2014 at 3:50 pm #

    I am so glad I bought and used Miracle magnesium before I read your comment. I have been a migraine sufferer for a long time, with attacks that often triggered by stress. I bought the Miracle Magnesium pack as recommended by an ex colleague and tried it. It worked wonders for me. I have realised that drinking the oil mixed with water helps to relax me and make my sleep easy. Using the red roll-on magnesium helps to relive tension before I et a migraine attack. Whatever your medical research says, the staff works for me, and I have used it for over three months now. It also helps the digestive system by the way!

  8. Rebekka Liebenberg 11 February, 2014 at 12:38 am #

    As your opening suggests – just because you refuse to believe – reality is not going to change. I started using the magnesium oil to treat adult acne and my 2 teenagers acne. The results are brilliant for me, were noticeable within a few days for my daughter and a bit slower for my son. My son had tick bite fever and used it whilst competing in a week long provincial softball tournament (together with homeopathic medicine) their A team won 🙂 My kids are also on the brink of major exams and they are coping better now than they did with stress prior to the oil. We all dislike the flavour but it reminds me somewhat of coconut water. As an unexpected side effect – my chronic sinusitis of the last 30 years has improved drastically. Also, my monthly cycles which had me doubled up in pain for days each time are so much improved that I only need a mild pain killer on day one while I carry on with my household duties. I am a stay at home mom and I homeschool my 2 youngest while the bigger kids go to school.
    I cannot BELIEVE your arrogant and dismissive piece of creative writing in the face of enough evidence as well as hordes of personal testimonials vouching for this product. I’m sure it won’t work for everyone … just as your doctoring doesn’t work for all your patients …. should we therefore assume that you are a fraud and fake, lying to desperate people and taking their money while you pretend to know what you are doing? Hell… it’s worked so well for us that I’m considering becoming an agent for this stuff! Catch up with modern medicine, come out of the dark ages of manipulated medical findings against anything natural, inexpensive and effective despite the doctors bad raps. Get your head out of your own @$$ long enough to open your little mind and use the ears you are equipped with to hear and assimilate and research the truthful claims made by people all over the world, vouching for the effective magnesium oil. I take about 3 to 4 teaspoons daily and my energy levels are better, my skin clearing up and I don’t need to take boxes of tissues wherever I go anymore. I wish I could say more but I’m afraid I’m wasting my time on the likes of your blinkered kind – shame. … you only know the little that you know. It’s sad really. Ps – pulsitilla helps for a puss filled personality type you seem to exhibit. I actually initially thought that the claims sounded a bit too varied … but now that I’ve tried it, I am convinced regardless of the naysayers that refuse the evidence by looking the other way. Such an ostrich!

    • Harris 24 February, 2014 at 3:38 pm #

      @Rebekka
      I am pleased that you believe that this product works for you. Great. But that is no evidence that it works for others. There are people who believe that they were cured of AIDS/HIV from using a pink soap, but there is no proof that they were – yet they still believe. That this product does marvelous stuff for you is contrary to science: but if it really works for you, even just a placebo response, good for you. Miracle Magnesium is NOT modern medicine – in fact it is “ancient” medicine shown with science to have no basis in reality. The sad reality is that you are being ripped off for R500 when you can make the exact same stuff for R10. Now who is the ostrich! (By the way, Miracle Magnesium is very closely related to Epsom Salts – the former is Magnesium chloride and the latter is Magnesium sulphate.)

    • joy 16 November, 2015 at 3:52 am #

      I DITTO Rebekka Liebenberg. You fool you are the scammer deceiving people that this oil can and will help. At 52 alternative and nature made medicine has made me feel the best I have ever felt. I have always been in good health I will use conventional medicine if I need it but I have not needed it in years. Not only does it help eternally it also helps externally. Who at my age would not want that. I do believe you as a Dr took the Hippocratic Oath. Seems like you have strayed and have been seduced by Big Pharma!

      • Harris 16 November, 2015 at 7:42 am #

        @Joy
        “You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts” Daniel Patrick Moynihan 2003
        You will not find any proof that I have been seduced or support Big Pharma – you will have to invent the proof, for I have not. I support evidence.

  9. m beling 11 February, 2014 at 11:21 am #

    i find it is working for me

  10. carol 11 February, 2014 at 1:44 pm #

    Daar het alweer advertensies van hierdie Miracle Magnesium hierdie jaar in die Rapport koerant verskyn. Alweer net so misleidend soos voorheen

    • Harris 11 February, 2014 at 2:29 pm #

      Dankie!

  11. Lyn 13 February, 2014 at 4:26 am #

    Hi,
    I have had fibromyalgia for over 25 years. Sadly the medical community has not only failed to help but have caused so much increased distress by telling me ‘it is all in your head’. I suffered for many years by being given anti-depressants that caused harm while giving no benefit. I am very sensitive to any form of relaxant or anesthetic, which doctors have failed to believe or listen to.

    I have only turned to more holistic forms of health very slowly. My generation was brought up in the belief that ‘Doctor knows best’.

    One thing I have found to be of benefit is the magnesium ‘oil’ which I spray on my knees and feet. Prior to a recent trip I was not convinced, however after spending a week constantly walking (something I have not been capable of for over 10 years) I have found that spraying the ‘oil’ onto my knees and feet has reduced my pain enormously.

    I have changed quite a lot of other factors in my life in the past three years, especially diet and regular exercise which has helped. However even during these past years of exercise I have not been able to use my knees without experiencing pain. Currently, after daily use of the magnesium ‘oil’, I am experiencing a wider range of mobility and flexibility with less pain from knees and feet. Thus I am able to increase my range and length of exercise with the additional health benefit.

    Other than the need to apply a creme to prevent my skin from becoming dry after using the magnesium ‘oil’ I have not had any negative effects, only very positive, measurable results.

    I do not have any comments on other health claims of what magnesium ‘oil’ can do as I have not used it for anything other than what I have stated above.
    I have however taken good quality magnesium supplements orally for sometime without experiencing the benefit I have achieved from the ‘oil’.

    Regards,
    Lyn

  12. carol 14 February, 2014 at 9:37 am #

    Weer n nuwe advertensie in die Brits Pos, plaaslike koerant van Brits. Help alweer vir diabetes en al die ander vals aansprake wat gewoonlik gemaak word.

  13. Helen Strydom 10 March, 2014 at 9:58 am #

    Ek het Februarie epos van hulle gekry van al hul produkte, en vanoggend weer sms gekry oor al hul specials.
    Dit is omdat ek voorheen van hul produkte gekoop het, maar kan nie se dat dit veel gehelp het nie.

    Groete
    Helen

  14. Regina Britz 18 March, 2014 at 1:23 pm #

    Hi, I am a fibromyalgia patient and have been affered, by well meaning friends and family, so many quack products over the years that I am used to checking them out first. A friend bought me miracle magnesium at Dischem last week, as a present. I must just take it and report back. It is within my cell-group at churcha nd they all want progress reports. What really sparked my suspicion was that it is supposed to work for everything from fybro, to depression, to cholesterol. This i know to be a red flag from too much experience.

    Thank you for this website. I did not know of it’s existence and usually checked on American websites, having to trace people and brandnames backt o South Africa.

  15. Michelle 19 March, 2014 at 9:15 am #

    My Husband and myself were down at the South Coast last week, he suffers from extreme gout, we saw the Miracle Magnesium advert on one of the channels on TV (Don’t know which channel it was on) and it claimed to work for gout, we went the Gallaria Dischem and bought a banded pack.(Blue Spray and Oil) He started using it and claimed it lessened the pain a bit, but my concern is, shortly after he started using this blue spray, he started snoring excessively, to the point that we are sleeping in separate bedrooms. I only realised that the time he started snoring this loud and constant is the same time he started using the stuff. I have now asked him to stop using the spray and we will monitor his snoring. Is anybody out there experiencing the same.

    • Harris 20 March, 2014 at 8:18 am #

      @Michelle
      It will be great if you see the advert again, to let me know which channel and time you see the advert!
      Thank you.

  16. carol 29 March, 2014 at 9:37 am #

    Radio Pretoria saai nou weer van hierdie Miracle Magnesium advertensies uit.

  17. Rita 29 March, 2014 at 4:27 pm #

    Unfortunately Dr. harris, you are the only website from the many I have been on about magnesium oil, that refers to it as illicit, and useless. I know livestrong.com to be a reputable and legit website I have followed for years, and they swear by the use of magnesium oil. Why is it that chemically synthesized drugs you give patients are not reported to be bad for health, when it all it does is makes symptoms worse , and killing people slowly. I think you are afraid that these cheap methods of health puts your career as a doctor at risk, because less face it, when you are not writing out a prescription, you dont get paid. With all the testomonials, I think the stuff works. I take it myself, and have found it works in many ways. Obviously our bodies are absorbing the mineral in order to feel the therapeutic affects…nice talking to you..carry on.

    • Harris 30 March, 2014 at 9:31 am #

      @Rita
      1. In November 2013 CAM regulations were published making Miracle Magnesium’s claims illegal.
      2. Livestrong.com states: “Magnesium chloride supplements are not necessary unless you’re deficient in the mineral.” “Like other dietary supplements, magnesium chloride is only intended for use in adults who are deficient in the nutrient. Your diet is the best source of magnesium, most of which is stored in the bones.” http://www.livestrong.com/article/27361-benefits-magnesium-chloride/. Very few people are deficient in magnesium.
      3. Miracle Magnesium (magnesium chloride) is chemically synthesized.
      4. Doctors do write out prescriptions for magnesium, but only for very few people, i.e., those that are deficient or require it.

      • Rebekka 30 March, 2014 at 2:01 pm #

        Who exactly is CAM in terms of making claims ‘legal’ or ‘illegal’? why is the Director General of the Department of Health on the radio (702/cape talk) making ‘claims’ about an HPV vaccine that has already been debunked by scientists in America, uk and Japan, Disowned by its very own Developer as a fraudulent vaccine, and also incorporates as its efficacy, fictitious statistics regarding the incidence of caner related to the HPV? why is this not being brought up? Why is this site perpetuating a very personal war against individuals and advertising claims while blatantly ignoring the very same thing done by government? You too small fry to take on the real nonsense?

        • Harris 30 March, 2014 at 10:08 pm #

          Readers should read read Rebekka’s comments in context. Here are two:
          http://www.tokyotimes.com/2013/hpv-vaccine-seen-differently-by-japan-and-the-u-s/
          http://www.drugs.com/news/citing-japan-pulls-recommendations-hpv-vaccines-45158.html

          Basically the concern was over the side effects, i.e., body pain. No one has died from the vaccine. Contrast this with the number of women who die from cervical cancer as a result of not receiving the vaccine. All drugs, including CAMS, have potential side effects. When one used any treatment, the risk of side effects is balanced with the benefits one hopes to receive.

          “The decision does not mean that the vaccine, itself, is problematic from the view of safety, “ Mariko Momoi, vp of the International University of Health and Welfare, who headed a task force probing the issue, tells the paper. “By implementing investigations, we want to offer information that can make the people feel more at ease.”” “To date, an estimated 3.28 million people have been vaccinated, and 1,968 cases of possible side effects, including body pain, have been reported and the task force examined 43 cases, the paper writes. However, a causal relationship between vaccination and pain and numbness could not be established, which prompted the decision to run further studies by the ministry.

  18. Hettie 1 April, 2014 at 3:25 pm #

    Vir al die ouens wat so glo in foefies wat wonders doen, kortliks uit Wikipedia hoe die mens se verbeelding saamspeel. Dit word placebo genoem : A placebo (/pləˈsiboʊ/ plə-SEE-boh; Latin placēbō, “I shall please”[2] from placeō, “I please”)[3][4] is a simulated or otherwise medically ineffectual treatment for a disease or other medical condition intended to deceive the recipient. Sometimes patients given a placebo treatment will have a perceived or actual improvement in a medical condition, a phenomenon commonly called the placebo effect. Dis ‘n algemene versksynsel onder liggelowiges. Betaal maar lekker want dit werk vir jou. Ek is op my pak Engelse sout wat R12 kos vir amper ‘n jaar se gebruik. En dit werk! ☺

  19. Sharanjeet Shan 21 April, 2014 at 6:33 am #

    I was interested in taking Magnesium oil simply because I need to rid myself of muscle pain in the upper body which at times is very severe and keeps me awake. I am a very active person, 68 years old, and not suffering from any other illness. I was told by one doctor that I have Fibromyelgia. I do exercise a fair bit.
    I can honestly say that taking magnesium oil has not made much difference.

  20. carol 8 May, 2014 at 9:11 pm #

    Daar het alweer n advertensie van Miracle Magnesium in die
    Brits Pos, plaaslike koerant van Brits verskyn.Dit is maar weer dieselfde advertensie wat al voorheen verbied is.Dit maak alweer aanspraak dat dit voordelig is vir osteoporose en borskanker en ook al die ander toestande waarvoor dit in die verlede sg sou gehelp het.Hierdie vrou is waarlik soos die spreekwoordelike kat wat maar altyd weer terugkom.

  21. Katie 9 May, 2014 at 12:58 pm #

    Ek is n nuwe verbruiker van MM en sal graag wil weet wat die newe effekte van die produk is en of daar al iemand gesterf het as gevolg van die gebruik hiervan. Ek verwonder my net altyd aan die lang lys newe effekte in fyn skrif ingesluit op die voubiljet van voorgekrewe medikasie wat verkrygbaar is by apteke. Wanneer ek dit klaar gelees het het ek geen motivering om medikasie te gebruik nie aangesien die cons die pros meestal oorskadu. Ek kan ook nie glo dat al die “word of mouth” mense hul verbeel die “placebo” werk nie. Ek is desperaat en sal dalk maar my geld mors op die produk en al is dit dan ook net in my kop, as ek kan beter voel is dit die moeite werd.
    NS. As die produk diaree veroorsaak neem ek aan n mens moet dit dalk geleidelik verhoog tot op n vlak waar dit nie ongerief sal veroorsaak nie.

    • Harris 9 May, 2014 at 1:58 pm #

      @Katie
      There are no major side effects if you apply it to your skin (for it does not get absorbed as Marcelle du Plessis / MM claim). However taking it orally carries a risk, depending on the dose and whether your body is functioning normally, e.g., your kidneys are working optimally. Side effects include: Diarrhea, paralytic ileus, difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); nausea; slow reflexes, suppression of neuromuscular transmission, depression of heart conductivity, etc. For side effects, read here: http://www.drugs.com/sfx/magnesium-chloride-side-effects.html.
      Magnesium chloride is not routinely used except for a narrow range of conditions – where the body becomes deficient in magnesium (fairly uncommon to rare). In other words, magnesium chloride is used for a very narrow range of conditions and not as Marcelle du Plessis, who has no medical training, claims, e.g., sinusitis, migraine, cancer, “osteoporose”, “borskanker”, etc.

  22. Katie 9 May, 2014 at 1:04 pm #

    Wonder maar net:
    Waarom word Body Detox so aangevat as hul duidelik op hul advertensie spesifiseer ” PL makes no claim that this product is a cure or that any medication should be discontinued. It is a supplement, if you are sick, consult your doctor.”

    • Harris 9 May, 2014 at 1:47 pm #

      @Katie
      This is a good question. It is because they claim that taking the supplement will have a beneficial effect on those conditions, when in fact there is no proof that it does, i.e., not just no proof but many claims are highly unlikely. Imagine I sell you sea sand and claim that it will cure your migraine but also state “We make no claim that this product is a cure or that any medication should be discontinued. It is a supplement, if you are sick, consult your doctor.” The disclaimer makes no difference to the fact that I am still claiming that sea sand will cure your migraine. The facts are that Miracle Magnesium has not been shown to have any beneficial effect on the great majority of claims being made for it, i.e., is a complete lie.

  23. Felicity Allwright 19 May, 2014 at 8:10 pm #

    I bought this product at Dischem about a year ago.

  24. Tiisetso 25 May, 2014 at 11:58 pm #

    Saw a Miracle Magnesium booth this afternoon (25 May) at Kolonnade mall in Pretoria. I find it hard to believe that people are convinsed that one product can heal all those things.

  25. Rebekka Liebenberg 29 May, 2014 at 7:44 am #

    No supplements or medication for that matter does all that it claims for everyone. Each person as an individual has a unique physiology. I don’t need as much paracetamol as most to rid myself of a headache and my husband gets better results from drinking lots of water than any paracetamol! My daughter who is prone to massively dramatic nose bleeds uses mag phos tissue salts for cramps or spasms because that works best for her. I can’t use most of the tissue salts because it gives me nose bleeds …. I think this magnesium oil thing and the mamoth effort at debunking it is a bit disproportionate. Sure it’s too expensive at some outlets, but so are many medications sold in pharmacies. Co enzyme q10 is a good example. It was very inexpensive when few people knew of its benefits some 15 years ago. I used to buy it from a woman who sold it from home back when dr’s laughed at the claims of an enzyme having such potential to turn around a person’s health. Now it’s prescribed by cardiologists and one needs a second job to afford a months supply – because it’s now regulated by the MCC. I hazard a guess that the same will happen with the magnesium oil and sprays. It’s not for everyone – for sure! (My one daughter gets a reaction on her skin from the Blue spray, but not the orange inflammation spray) I really hope logic and reason prevails in this situation and people do more than read about one person’s vendetta against one particular product. Yes, perhaps it does nothing for you, like chemo did nothing for our aunt who passed away recently from liver cancer (in fact, I believe it killed her faster than the disease would have) However, perhaps it will work wonders, like the chemo did for our close family friend who still lives despite 3rd or 4th stage lymphatic cancer, even though the dr’s basically told him to prepare to die and said that the chemo would be a waste of time. He did it anyway and we all prayed and hoped, and it was successful. We all know magnesium is a good thing. We all know that some people, perhaps more than some, have deficiencies. We all know that many people claim various benefits. Why is it so abhorrent then to others who have no need for it and who don’t want to try it? What is the rationale in debunking something only on paper if it does work in practice for a vast range of people and for a vast range of ailments. If we were to analyse the benefits of chemo based on stats and success rates, it wouldn’t fare nearly as well as we are led to believe. Only about 20% of treatment is effective – which is pretty much Russian roulette! However, it does have a margin of success and because it makes such a huge industry viable, it’s what is purported as a ‘miracle’ cure – which it isn’t. Most dr’s don’t know any more than the bit they learned from medical school, and most don’t bother to remain current and up to date with new information – so they are easily led by the nose by pretty medical reps (lol … I know because I did a bit of this myself … all they do is take the pamphlet and believe whatever the pharmaceutical companies say – they almost never check it out) In today’s age of information, the bulk of what is taught in medical school is freely available. Even MIT has sites with free lectures. There is really no excuse to be totally fooled by the fly by night fad cures, just as one shouldn’t be fooled by the claims of efficacy for lucrative medications endorsed by their own manufacturers (as the magnesium oil is endorsed by its own manufacturers)

    • Harris 29 May, 2014 at 8:07 am #

      @Rebekka
      This is not “about one person’s vendetta against one particular product”. This is a scam, full stop. If Big Pharma sold a product that did not work, it would be a scam, full stop. It is not about comparing Miracle Magnesium against other products, but comparing its claims against the facts. Big scam. The fact that some people claim it helps them does not prove it to be true – it could simply be a placebo response, and since there is a lot of physiological research done on magnesium, one can know what is possible and what is not. These are facts, not guess work. The ONLY way to know if something works or not is PROOF! Finish and klaar. And because I remain current and up to date with new information, I can tell you that there is no evidence supporting Miracle Magnesium’s large body of claims.

      You write: “What is the rationale in debunking something only on paper if it does work in practice for a vast range of people and for a vast range of ailments.” How do you know that it does work in practice for a vast range of people, and ailments? Prove it!

      And they same way you are expressing your views here, I am expressing mine. Readers are welcome to read and free to believe your take, or mine.

  26. Rebekka Liebenberg 29 May, 2014 at 8:37 am #

    Thanks for updating.

    Pharma does sell stuff that doesn’t work – but it is not often exposed as scams. Very often those same meds do more than nothing – they kill, and even then it’s not normally exposed.

    I didn’t say you are not current – obviously you are one of those doing more than your share of extended research – hence your site and effort.

    People who use the oil often claim that the effects are real. One can’t claim placebo for everyone all the time – placebo has its limitations and I wish for people to be aware of this. It’s easy to see that there are many who benefit – they talk about it freely.

    I respectfully disagree that we can absolutely know what works or doesn’t in cases like this. We might not have the evidence we want or need right now, but keeping our options open means that the possibility exists to continue looking.

    I don’t think we must ever stop looking for answers. The fact that the oil does work for some in varying degrees, or even harms others means that it has some active components. To discount this seems irrational to me, even if it can’t do amazing things like cure aids or cancers or bronchitis etc. Neither can aspirin, but it still has it’s place.
    Thanks for taking the time to communicate with me and giving me a space for comments on your site.

    Regards
    Rebekka

    • Harris 29 May, 2014 at 2:57 pm #

      @Rebekka
      You wrote: “I respectfully disagree that we can absolutely know what works or doesn’t in cases like this. We might not have the evidence we want or need right now, but keeping our options open means that the possibility exists to continue looking.” I agree, science is always open to new information. But to make positive claims without any evidence, is not the same as keeping an open mind to a possibility. Imagine I sell you sea sand and claim it cures AIDS/HIV. I am open to evidence that this is possible, but cannot make that claim until proven to be true.

      The burden of proof (evidence) rests on the person making the claim, not the person claiming it is not true. This is an universal truth with regard to products making health claims, whether Big Pharma, or CAMS.

  27. laeticia 9 June, 2014 at 3:57 pm #

    Regularly advertised in Dischem.. Huisgenoot and 3 articles up from your article….

    Its rubbish the product does not work!!

  28. Marjan 2 July, 2014 at 2:36 pm #

    Saw at pharma value queenswood advertised (today)

  29. Pixel 20 July, 2014 at 11:38 pm #

    I apologize if I’m going a little off subject but I’m curious to know the true scientific benefits of Magnesium citrate powder?
    I read various things online about Magnesium citrate powder being a purer form? and better absorbed than ordinary magnesium tablets (something like that, can’t remember exactly).
    I have been drinking the powder in water, hoping it will relax muscles in my legs, back, shoulders, head, neck…. as they have been particularly tense, sometimes cramping and twitching the last few months. My muscles have always been overly tight and stiff.
    From what I read online I got the impression that Magnesium citrate powder was a definite muscle relaxant and was pretty safe too. But with all the pseudoscience everywhere it’s very confusing.
    I’d be really grateful for any clarification on this

  30. Richard 6 August, 2014 at 10:12 am #

    The fact that you quote quackwatch as a reputable source immediately has me concerned regarding your own impartiality. Simple process of clear thinking when applied to this post quickly shows glaring examples of this.
    For mine you get 10 out of 10 for disinformation and it is quite apparent you are just simply another of the big pharma propagandists. I wonder how much scrutiny of your funding would be needed to determine its true source. At 63 years of age I have used many supplements, none have provided the benefit I get from Magnesium Oil. Sadly dissapointed in the transperant attempt to discredit a product which provides so much benefit. More than happy to respond to each of your points individually if you think it necessary. Please note I have never used the Miracle Magnesium Blue Spray™ and have no affiliation with the supplier. I use magnesium oil produced in Australia using Magnesium Chloride sourced from the Dead Sea. The subtle difference in the use of words should be apparent even to you.

    • Harris 6 August, 2014 at 10:39 am #

      Anecdotal evidence is the lowest form of evidence – the claim may be true, it may be simply a placebo response.
      In this specific posting, whistleblowers supplied me documentary evidence that the “Miracle Magnesium from the Dead Sea” was actually being produced from industrial grade magnesium chloride. Maybe your source is doing the same, maybe not.

      CAM companies have tried to discredit me by arguing that I am a big pharma propagandist. Could not prove it for the evidence is otherwise. Suggest you read this article: http://www.camcheck.co.za/opinion-health-fact-and-fiction/

  31. Richard 6 August, 2014 at 12:26 pm #

    Thank you for your quick response. I have never posted in a blog before but was so incensed by the manner in which you presented your arguement that I responded immediately. I have since done some research on you and accept that you appear totally independent of the big pharmaceutical organizations. I am pleased that is the case. It does not however, alter my stance on your post. Additionally a post from a site whose impartiality I already question is highly unlikely to add credence to your position or assertions. . Your one sided approach however, is never justified, not even by your about us statement “We have the same approach to Big Pharma. But as the field is so large, we let others focus on Big Pharma while we focus on CAMS.” This statement simply allows you to ignore perhaps even abrogate your responsibility to investigate the full picture; more specifically the blatant misrepresentations of the big pharmaceutical companies. It also never shows that you treat “Big Pharma” as you do the natural alternatives. This of course will always beg the question of true editorial independence. For someone who is apparently such a great supporter of consumerism ignoring these blatant breaches seems incongruous. I am happy to provide details of many such breaches if you feel I am being unfair to “Big Pharma” or as to how this lack of objectivity could be perceived as reflecting on your independence. As to your fall back throw away of “placebo response”, it really is wearing very thin to all clear thinking individuals. It is also condescending but I assume its use was intended to be so. It certainly does not support you post in any way, shape or form.

    • Harris 6 August, 2014 at 1:38 pm #

      @Richard
      The same way AIDS/HIV activists do not focus on cancer or other severe diseases, I follow suite. The field is simply too wide to focus on all egregious practises in the health products industry. Furthermore, I only focus on those where the proof is absent or very thin. You may note I have not made any comments on echinacea or St John’s wort and products where there is some evidence to support the claims – whether I regard the evidence good or bad is not the argument but simply that there is something to consider versus ingredients or products where there is nil. The point about belaboring the placebo response is simply to point out that a claim is not proven until it is for there are many other mechanisms that may be playing a role. CamCheck gets testimonials from consumers using a product which I had tested and found to have no ingredients present! Ant the risk of not commenting on a testimonial is that it may result in other consumers from purchasing that product – somehow as a health professional I am pressured into putting a value on the claim.

  32. Richard 6 August, 2014 at 3:13 pm #

    Hmm. I would have thought that not commenting on the risks applied equally across all health products and providing truly informed comment could prevent other consumers using products of any type. I guess it is a position of having your cake and eating it too. Still no balance. Still no way to demonstrate your independence. Interesting that you consider yourself an activist. As with most activists, one is always left to wonder, how far and by what means you are prepared to go to achieve your personal agenda. To hell with what others think. Let me push my personal ideologies and disregard everything else. Seems a neat fit.

    • Harris 6 August, 2014 at 3:40 pm #

      @Richard
      It should be obvious that with one’s limited time that one can focus on one area and do it reasonably well rather than focus on everything and do it poorly. Some individuals may focus only on statins or sport supplements – is is their prerogative. And what is not apparent to you is that I am giving a point of view to assist consumers to make a good informed decision. They do not have to agree with me but I give good reasons why my point of view is correct – and all it does is to give consumers a contrary point of view to the advertisements which make bogus, false and unsubstantiated claims. Readers can make up their own mind.
      Miracle Magnesium is a good example: Advertisements make claims that have no physiological basis and most consumers do not know this. I point it out. If they wish to waste their money based on false premises or claims, so be it. At least they were offered a contrary point of view. And I do base my arguments on evidence – not thumb-suck beliefs. And you will not be the first to criticize me – I have had people selling “HIV/AIDS cures” claiming similarly that I do not know what I am talking about, that I am pushing my personal ideologies and disregard everything else.

      You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts” Daniel Patrick Moynihan 2003

      “There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance” Hippocrates

      “Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored” Aldous Huxley

  33. Richard 6 August, 2014 at 6:59 pm #

    Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. We are each entitled to our opinions and obviously you feel your stance is correct. I accept that. I wonder if you ever considered that one of the very best things about science is that the discipline is self-correcting. A scientist makes observations and then devises a theory to fit those observations. Other scientists then test the theory, and if it withstands scrutiny it becomes widely accepted. At any point in the future, if contravening evidence emerges, the original theory is discarded. In practice this may appear messy but this is how science works. Science can contradict itself. And that’s OK. It’s a fundamental part of how research works. When an old theory dies, it’s not because scientists have lied to us and can’t be trusted. In fact, exactly the opposite. Those failed hypotheses are casualties of the process of working our way towards truth. Likewise, just because some ideas have turned out to be wrong doesn’t mean it’s safe to assume all the scientific truths we hold today will be disproved somewhere down the line. What I find troubling is when a position or stance is adopted and all that flows from that time on is merely intended to justify that position. “When a man finds a conclusion agreeable, he accepts it without argument, but when he finds it disagreeable, he will bring against it all the forces of logic and reason.” -Thucydides I hope you will excuse my resorting to quotes but as it seems to be a tool that you like to use to support your position I am inclined to join in. As for the “thumb suck beliefs” comment. Simple application of the rules of clear thinking allow us to disregard emotive terminology. Rather than strengthen an arguement it shows weakness. A couple of thoughts you may also like to consider (following on from your introduction of quotes as a means of suring up your position). “Only a fool of a scientist would dismiss the evidence and reports in front of him and substitute his own beliefs in their place.” – Paul Kurtz. “It is as fatal as it is cowardly to blink facts because they are not to our taste.” – John Tyndall. Phycisist. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” Sir Martin Rees (Astronomer). I should add that prior to stumbling across your rant I had visited numerous sites investigating magnesium and the body and magnesium deficiency. Many of these sites were also proffering opinions by medical doctors and researchers, all of them, like myself, exercising their right to disagree with much of what you say. But as you correctly point out, we are all entitled to our opinions. One of the beauties of the internet is the ability to be able to identify and filter out disinformation. By the way I think some of the claims made by the organization you were attempting to lambaste were, to put it politely over stated and I have no issue with them being held accountable. My grievance is the selectively biased statements you make to support your reason for holding them to account.

    • Harris 6 August, 2014 at 9:44 pm #

      @Richard
      I agree with you that science is self correcting, or at least evolving. That does not suggest that one can make false claims without adequate support, for example, that magnesium oil is absorbed through the skin and will cure x, y or z. You need to also appreciate the context: CamCheck refers to the South African market – as in the ‘about’ page. You probably do not know of the deluge of products (complementary medicines) that have become commonplace over the last 12 years in SA – because of the regulator not only failing to regulate CAMs, but in fact ‘opening the door’ for them to be put on the market without the need for any data to be provided to the regulatory authority.

      You write: “My grievance is the selectively biased statements you make to support your reason for holding them to account.”
      Which in particular?

  34. richard 7 August, 2014 at 8:08 am #

    It was never my intent to get involved in a slanging match with you. I am however happy to respond to your posts. Below are some impartial and unbiased reflections from me which may make it clear to you (and allow other readers see) why I feel the way I do about your original post. I have only taken the time to analyse the first three of your points as I neither have the time nor inclination to fully scrutinize and itemize everything you posted. In any case you will see where I am coming from. Yes these are my opinions but at least they are not made from the position of a self confessed activist. I am just someone exercising my right of dissent. Particularly regarding what I see as a blatantly erroneous post coloured by personal bias. Whilst I sympathize with your cause of bringing to task those who misrepresent items they sell, I also believe in fairness, impartiality and perspicuity.

    Claim 1 “Miracle Magnesium Oil™ that comes from the Dead Sea – due to its liquid form – is the best type of Magnesium for intestinal absorption”.
    In your response you say that the claim is false and in part what you say is right. The “magnesium oil” does not come from the dead sea. However you select this part of their promotion as the basis for saying the claim is totally false. You choose to ignore the part of the statement indicating that the liquid form of their product is the best for internal absorption. Perhaps I am missing something here but if the body is not having to dissolve a substance surely the elimination of that process would speed up absorption making it a better alternative. If you want to play semantics, apply the same level of care to your own comments.
    “Inside information” is a polite way of saying I have no source that I can quote. Using your rationale that should mean that you do not use it or make reference to it. I would suggest don’t cite something if you are not in a position to prove it. Ridiculous of me to suggest that? No more ridiculous than your suggestion that others not provide information without fully substantiated references to support it. I agree however that if indeed the magnesium chloride is not sourced from The Dead Sea this organization should not be making the claim.

    Claim 2 “Magnesium chloride from the Dead Sea is superior to magnesium chloride from other sources”.
    You say this claim is false and go on to point out that magnesium chloride flakes are generally made up of a number of minerals. What you say is true but to say the claim is false based on this fact alone is absolutely incorrect. Magnesium chloride flakes do consist of other trace elements but generally the largest percentage of the flakes is pure magnesium chloride. I have read Certificates of authenticity and certificates of analysis on a number of the products marketed as Magnesium Chloride flakes and have seen concentrations ranging from 31% to 37% pure magnesium chloride. I saw no reference that they claimed the magnesium chloride was pure magnesium chloride, just that magnesium chloride from the dead sea is better. Perhaps a COA of the product they use would show it has a higher percentage of pure magnesium chloride than any of the other magnesium chloride flakes available. As you do not say that you have looked at these percentages or attempted any comparison, you can’t definitively say the claim is false. Again if you want to set standards for others to live by you need to ensure you live by at least the same level of standards yourself.

    “Magnesium oil is better absorbed through the skin”.
    You say there is no real evidence to support this. What you say here is not correct. What you should have said is that you choose to disbelieve many reports which would seem to support the claim, preferring instead to selectively rely on reports that advance your position. I am sorry but this response most assuredly does not give you sufficient information for your comment. In fact your response actually identifies that there are studies that appear to support this claim. You simply choose not to accept them. Perhaps you might like to revisit the quote by Thucydides “When a man finds a conclusion agreeable, he accepts it without argument, but when he finds it disagreeable, he will bring against it all the forces of logic and reason.” and “It is as fatal as it is cowardly to blink facts because they are not to our taste.” – John Tyndall. Physicist.

    I include some references below that may be of interest to you or others. As I do not know what you permit in posted responses I understand these may be removed. I do not suggest that these sources give credence to either side of the argument. I merely offer them as food for thought.

    http://www.epsomsaltcouncil.org/articles/report_on_absorption_of_magnesium_sulfate.pdf
    http://www.cnelm.com/NutritionPractitioner/Issues/Issue_11_1/Articles/7%20Transdermal%20Mg%20revised2.pdf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_deficiency_%28medicine%29
    http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/magnesium_-_treating_a_deficiency
    http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/magnesium/magnesiumrefs.html#ref7
    http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/magnesium
    http://www.acatoday.org/content_css.cfm?CID=3956

    • Harris 7 August, 2014 at 11:14 am #

      @Richard
      I do not see this as a slanging match but as part of the process of educating consumers/readers – you are able to state your case and defend it, and vice versa.

      Regarding your examples:
      Claim 1: I have searched for impartial physiological evidence that Miracle Magnesium Oil (magnesium chloride) is better absorbed than other forms of magnesium, and have not found sufficient evidence to convince me. That a substance is in a liquid form does not necessarily result in faster absorption. Aspirin is absorbed through the stomach, in this case yes. Magnesium is absorbed through the small intestine and the time difference between a dissolving tablet and liquid is not large. Furthermore there is a restriction of intestinal permeability to magnesium depending on the dose and whether it is Mg chloride, sulphate, etc.[1] Other parameters play a role too. “Forms of magnesium that dissolve well in liquid are more completely absorbed in the gut than less soluble forms [2,11]. Small studies have found that magnesium in the aspartate, citrate, lactate, and chloride forms is absorbed more completely and is more bioavailable than magnesium oxide and magnesium sulfate” [2]
      Regarding my “Inside information”, this refers to a whistle blower who furnished me with the information and based on the threats against the person, will not reveal my source. But I do have their details and a recording of the conversation. And to be certain that the information was valid, collated the information with other whistle blowers from the same company.

      Claim 2: “Magnesium chloride from the Dead Sea is superior to magnesium chloride from other sources”
      The point is simply that this is a blanket statement without support. There is no evidence that MgCl from the Dead Sea is always superior to other sources. And whether the flakes are 31 or 37% is irrelevant – what is important is the amount being made available to the body and including other associated chemicals, i.e., bioavailability. So back to the point, “magnesium chloride from the dead sea is better” is a claim in order to induce people to purchase the product. So they need to prove it.

      Claim 3:
      “Magnesium oil is better absorbed through the skin”.
      I urge you to supply the reports that confirm or prove that magnesium oil (magnesium chloride) IS absorbed through the skin. I cannot find any, and considering the physiological principles of the skin which allow very few substances to be absorbed through the skin (the skin is a great barrier), it is imperative that one proves this. A lot is known about Mg [3] and although some sites claim that Mg can be absorbed through the skin, the proof is lacking and in particular for MgCl. The report from the Epsom Salt Council is for Mg suphate (Epsom Salts). I wrote to Dr Waring for further clarification on the study wanting to know, in particular, whether the study had been peer-reviewed. No response received. But one cannot automatically translate a study of Mg sulphate to Mg chloride, if one does, then one can similarly claim that oral ingestion of Mg sulphate is as good as Mg Chloride.

      And importantly, is is not for the consumer (or I) to disprove a claim, but for a company to support the claims with evidence. This company was challenged by the ASA to supply evidence in support of their claims and they were unable to.

      It is also important for readers to evaluate your list of references with caution – some are from sites promoting the use of magnesium supplementation – the claims may be true, they may be false. I would caution readers the same for information from Big Pharma websites promoting their products. Your reference to Wikipedia is for magnesium deficiency, not a common problem. The claims for the product is not in support of reversing a magnesium deficiency (valid claims) but for curing or treating a range of conditions: invalid claims for their is no evidence that taking magnesium oil will alleviate or cure those conditions.

      Of course, we could also debate whether supplying references from the chiropractic association, DrMyHill.co.uk, and epsomsaltcouncil.org are worth their weight is salt. Dr Sarah Myhill has been discredited for some of her beliefs (For example, Myhill has claimed that it was known that vaccinations were partly to blame for Gulf War Syndrome (this is untrue), that mumps before puberty is a minor illness (not true), that mercury is a cause of autism (it isn’t)). She was also suspended for a period by the General Medical Council but reinstated with a number of restrictions in place.

      [1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC295344/
      [2] http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional/
      [3]

  35. richard 7 August, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

    Whilst it is always interesting to exchange points of view one must eventually concede that you can never alter the perspective of a zealot with simple reasoning. Quite simply put it would matter not what was put in front of you as you will simply cling to your own viewpoint, disregarding what is patently obvious to others. That is your right. My foray onto your website was as a part of some research I had been doing regardingh magnesium and its impact on the body. None of the other sites caused me to respond as I felt they had displayed impartiality. This included those with positive comments and with negative comments. Your site however stirred me into responding to my first blog site ever. No mean feat I assure you. What I can say is that I certainly do not include your site amongst those I would refer to for objective commentary. I will however use it as an example of how bias can cloud objectivity. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comments.

    • Harris 7 August, 2014 at 3:00 pm #

      @Richard
      Thanks for the debate.
      I had hoped you would supply me with proper evidence that confirm or prove that magnesium oil (magnesium chloride) IS absorbed through the skin.

  36. richard 7 August, 2014 at 4:29 pm #

    If I thought you would accept the evidence I provided I would have been happy to do so. I do not believe that it would make any difference. Again I thank you for the responses. Nice to know people actually take the time to read the responses. I guess in this instance we will agree to disagree. Nice to see some passion for what you believe.

    • Harris 7 August, 2014 at 4:38 pm #

      @Richard
      Of course I will look at and evaluate the evidence, but I cannot see/find any “evidence” that you have supplied that magnesium oil IS absorbed through the skin, except an opinion, hence me asking.

  37. richard 9 August, 2014 at 3:22 pm #

    The type of study you want to rely on is the type only Big Pharma can afford. Because of the obscene profits they generate on their patented drugs they have been able to create an environment which precludes companies and organizations that do not generate millions (billions)of dollars profit from carrying out. The cost of having drugs approved is so high that most businesses are not in the game. What a great system they have developed, get rid of the competition by pricing them out of the market. Have regulations introduced that support their exclusive group. Impose sanctions on anyone who dares work outside their self serving codes of practice and then attempt to discredit anyone who dares criticise the practices and procedures they have implemented. As a consequence proponents of western medicine rarely criticise for fear of incurring the wrath of Big Pharma.
    Of course inability to afford these exorbitant costs includes every organization in what you describe as the Complementary and Alternative Medicine group.

    I wonder if you have ever considered what other countries think of this term. China has the largest population in the world. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population). If you talk to the Chinese, they consider the branch of medicine of which you are a part to be the Complementart or Alternative Medicine. Strangely enough the fact that the Chinese are not big on western medicine does not have them dieing at early ages or faster than western societies. On the contrary as regards longevity they come in at number 64. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy). South Africa comes in at 159. For additional comparison India (with the second highest world population) come in at 150 and Australia at 10. Once again India is anoher country that has not been quick to embrace western medicine apparently without major impact on their longevity. Yes I understand demographics can have an impact on these figures and yes I am aware that 50% of residents in South Africa are considered to be living in poverty (http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=69). I accept this fact can have an impact on and help in part to explain the ranking for life expectancy. (What a shame we are not devoting our energies toward turning that stat around.) I have already listed links to studies which can I believe be reasonably extrapolated to The topic of this discussion. I will give others at the end but as I have already stated you will not accept any of the information contained in them, falling in line instead with the want of Big Pharma to protect their bottom line.
    You head the top of your page with the comment “a critical thinker’s guide to the ins and outs of Complementary and Alternative Medicine”. Well I consider myself a critical thinker also but unlike you I do not restrict it to Complementary and Alternative Medicine. So in pursuit of that endeavour, (critical thinking) I give you the following food for thought. You stated that as I do not live in South Africa I would be unaware “You probably do not know of the deluge of products (complementary medicines) that have become commonplace over the last 12 years in SA – because of the regulator not only failing to regulate CAMs….” This statement begs a critical thinkers concerns. Is it that there has been a deluge of Cam products appearing in South Africa because of poor legislation as you assert and apparently believe? Or is it like every other reason for increased availability of products, it is based on increased demand? From where I sit the market is always driven by demand and never by poor legislation. What you don’t seem to understand or are in denial of, is that there is a large trend away from prescription drugs and a return to a more holistic approach to medicine. People are no longer accepting what medical practitioners tell them as sacrosanct. The internet has given us access to the negative effects of prescription drugs and many critical thinkers are using that resource to make considered and reasoned decisions as to whether they are prepared to take the rarely discussed risks of prescribed drugs. An interesting stat from the US is that prescription drugs taken as directed kill 100,000 Americans a year. That’s one person every five minutes. The following link makes for interesting reading and whilst I know your prsonaal bias will dismiss the contents of the site even you will be hardpressed to deny the resources used and their contents(http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004). The term “Death by Medication” is now firmly part of our vernacular and fortunately more and more people have become aware of the phenemonon. Below are some additional reading sites regarding this rarely discussed facet of western medicine. Particularly interesting is the Iatrogenesis wiki site which impartially includes both western medecine and alternative medicine as culprits. Hmm, no bias there!!(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis),(http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/05/07/death-by-prescription-drugs-is-a-growing-problem/),(http://www.ahrq.gov/data/hcup/hcupnet.htm).

    OK now lets have a closer look at transdermal absorption. These site discusses transdermal therapies (http://ceaccp.oxfordjournals.org/content/7/5/171.full).
    “The first adhesive transdermal delivery system (TDDS) patch was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1979 (scopolamine patch for motion sickness). Nitroglycerine patches were approved in 1981. This method of delivery became widely recognized when nicotine patches for smoking cessation were introduced in 1991”.
    (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18361538)
    “Transdermal drug administration has a number of advantages compared with the oral route: it avoids gastrointestinal absorption and hepatic first-pass metabolism, minimizes adverse effects arising from peak plasma drug concentrations and improves patient compliance”. Of course critical thinkers will find numerous other sources to allow them to make their own judgement and informed decisions. on the efficacy of transdermal medication. The will also have the ability to rationalize whether transdermal magnesium actually occurs or not. I guess next time they leave their hand in water a little too long they can wonder if the wrinkly effect was as a result of absorption or because the water is sitting on the surface of their skin. A specific clinical study on Magnesium oil that would meet your requirements is not likely to have been conducted however because of the exorbitant costs involved. This comes as close as I think you will get. (http://www.cnelm.com/NutritionPractitioner/Issues/Issue_11_1/Articles/7%20Transdermal%20Mg%20revised2.pdf) Your readers can determine whether they feel it providesdes them with sufficient information. I know you dismiss the results or believe assumptions cant be drawn from it (well in your opinion anyway). I note that you have spent much of your time studying allergies. I wonder if all the ointments, salves, creams and lotions you have used gave clinical trials at the level you like to apply to CAMs?

    Finally It is my opinion that consumers are quite astute when it comes to making decisions about what they spend their hard earned dollars on. Treating them as idiots will generally result in the business treating them so failing. The same can be said of blog sites such as this. What you need to be focussing on is ensuring the legislators take action agaainst organizations if and when they make false claims. Fortunately the average consumer out there is capable of determining good from bad and fact from fiction by themselves. Sites which are happy to view one side of the coin without balance always leave themselves open to being thought of as biased and as such not worthy of much value. Consumers make their own decisions and are rarely wrong.

    • Harris 9 August, 2014 at 6:46 pm #

      @Richard
      Richard writes: “The type of study you want to rely on is the type only Big Pharma can afford.” Considering that globally, the industry is estimated to be worth some $60 billion a year, investing in some research would be minuscule.[1]

      Richard writes: “On the contrary as regards longevity they [Chinese] come in at number 64. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy). South Africa comes in at 159.” India a 150 [2]
      It is pertinent that the top 35 for longevity mostly practice Western Medicine. Is that your point? And South Africa, at a dismal 159, is because it is one of the epicenters of AIDS/HIV. Nothing to do with Western medicine or CAMS.

      Richard writes: “Is it that there has been a deluge of Cam products appearing in South Africa because of poor legislation as you assert and apparently believe?”
      It is because of no legislative oversight. The Minister of Health stated in parliament two years ago that there are now 155,000 unregistered, unregulated CAMs in the South African market. In November 2013 regulations were published which are aimed at curbing these (see elswhere on CamCheck) [3]

      Richard writes: “An interesting stat from the US is that prescription drugs taken as directed kill 100,000 Americans a year.”
      Sort of true, but context is everything! The facts are that the adverse effects are primarily for very potent drugs that are used for very potent diseases, for which there are no decent CAM alternatives, e.g., severe rheumatoid arthritis, cancer, emphysema, cardiac diseases. Patients are given an informed choice: these are the treatment choices, these are the risks, what do you want to do. (And of course, CAMS are not necessarily without side effects: yohimba, comfrey, kava kava, Ma Huang, etc., all with major risks to consumers. ALL products, whether Big Pharma or CAMS, carry a risk.
      And what are the risks or deaths due to Chinese Medicine? No-one knows for the Chinese do not have a drug-safety-alert system in place as in countries where Western medicine is practised, so may be negligible, may be high.

      Richard writes: “. . . lets have a closer look at transdermal absorption” and “[T]his method of delivery became widely recognized when nicotine patches for smoking cessation were introduced in 1991″.”
      The point I was making is not that it is not a well recognised method, but that it is so difficult to get an ingredient to penetrate the skin, that very, very few products are able to implement this method! And because so few ingredients can penetrate the skin, it is imperative that companies prove that their ingredient can before making the claim. Is it possible that magnesium is absorbed through the skin? We do not know, no study has been done. Can we deduce anything from the fact that people swimming in the dead sea have not been hospitalised from magnesium toxicity? Nor really.

      Richard writes: “A specific clinical study on Magnesium oil that would meet your requirements is not likely to have been conducted however because of the exorbitant costs involved.
      Nope, not true. Take 10-20 individuals, measure blood magnesium before applying magnesium oil on the skin, and then measure changes to magnesium in the blood. Cost in the USA? $49.00 per test. [4]

      Richard writes: “Finally It is my opinion that consumers are quite astute when it comes to making decisions about what they spend their hard earned dollars on. Treating them as idiots will generally result in the business treating them so failing.
      Most consumers are not scientifically literate – the wool can be pulled over their eyes. CamCheck is testament to that: consumers claiming they lost weight with a product when the product contained no active ingredients, Celltone whose own study demonstrated that the product has no efficacy, yet the continue to sell the product to “willing buyers”. Damn, in South Africa consumers even had a picket when the government banned a pyramid financial scheme.

      So in summary, this site gives an opposing view, as I have given to your information/misinformation. Readers are welcome to belief you, or believe me, or believe parts of either of us. But they now have two points of view which they would not have had if CamCheck did not offer this. Can Miracle Magnesium Oil treat cancer as they claim in South Africa? I say absolutely not. Readers can believe me (based on the arguments in the postings associated with this ingredient), or not.

      [1] http://www.economist.com/node/18712290
      [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
      [3] http://www.camcheck.co.za/category/mcc-medicines-control-council/
      [4] http://www.healthtestingcenters.com/magnesium.aspx

  38. richard 9 August, 2014 at 3:26 pm #

    Oh and just in case the message was lost amongst the posts of the last few days. I do not sell magnesium oil and I am not part of any Complementary and Alternate Medicine organization. I derive no income from prescription drugs or alternate medicines. I can truly say that none of my income is derived from Big Pharma or CAMs.

  39. richard 10 August, 2014 at 4:48 am #

    Thanks again for your response. You politely refer to my comments as information/misinformation. What I think is a more correct description is information put forward to provide your readers with alternat points of view. Something I personally believe to be lacking in your blog site. What you consider misinformation others may well subscribe to and vice versa. A classic example is your misrepresentation of the impact of aids in the mortality figures in South Africa with a view to giving your point of view additional credibility. “However, the Death Notification Forms Survey of 2010, which estimates a 93% completion rate, shows that out of a total of 543,856 deaths nationwide (Appendix C4), only 18,325 deaths were attributed to HIV/AIDS Diseases (B20-B24, Table 4.5” which by my calculations, equates to approximately 3.37%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_South_Africa. Your comment “And South Africa, at a dismal 159, is because it is one of the epicenters of AIDS/HIV. Nothing to do with Western medicine or CAMS.” merely tries to mitigate the statistic by inferring that a large percentage of the deaths are from HIV/AIDs related illness. Not true. as the figures clearly indicate. Also I did not use the word dismal when I referred to the death rates in SA. That is your choice of terminology.
    You infer that the Death by Medicine statistic relates only to serious illnesses and that the people were all informed of these possible consequences. I wonder if you could provide statistics to substantiate this claim. I ask this question only because had I made the claim you would have asked me for the facts on which I based the statement.

    I came across your web site whilst researching magnesium oil. As a consumer I was looking at sites pointing out the positives as well as the negatives of the product. I reiterate that is what I believe consumers do. Obviously I give them more credit than you. Of course if you acknowledged that consumers were capable of making informed decisions your crusade would lack most of the imperative you apply to the site.
    The beauty of the internet is that consumers are able to research for themselves. They can make informed decisions based on the information available. They can choose to accept or not the information presented from both sides. Fortunately consumer awareness is on the rise and the skills with which they make their decisions are improving exponentially. Critical and reasoned thinking will generally prevail and that is as it should be. Again I thank you for your responses. It is pleasing to see that your passion extends further than just you initial post. I have enjoyed the debate and bookmarked your site in case I ever need to investigate other natural products and need some information on the negative side. Who knows, we may actually aggee on something in the future.

    • Harris 10 August, 2014 at 5:42 pm #

      @Richard
      Richard comments: ““However, the Death Notification Forms Survey of 2010, which estimates a 93% completion rate, shows that out of a total of 543,856 deaths nationwide (Appendix C4), only 18,325 deaths were attributed to HIV/AIDS Diseases (B20-B24, Table 4.5″ which by my calculations, equates to approximately 3.37%.”

      Context is everything: the full paragraph states: “In 2010, an estimated 280,000 South Africans died of HIV/AIDS. .. . it is estimated that between 42% and 47% of all deaths among South Africans were HIV/AIDS deaths..[5] However, the Death Notification Forms Survey of 2010, which estimates a 93% completion rate, shows that out of a total of 543,856 deaths nationwide (Appendix C4), only 18,325 deaths were attributed to HIV/AIDS Diseases (B20-B24, Table 4.5).”

      We know in South Africa that because of the stigma associated with AIDS/HIV, that many deaths are attributed to “pneumonia”, “TB”, etc. Here is a WHO scientific paper that explains this phenonmena: “Yet unlike most other countries with a high burden of HIV/AIDS, South Africa has a national vital registration system that tracks deaths from these causes, although admittedly its coverage is incomplete and its death certification and coding are of questionable quality. For these reasons, the system is not very useful for generating HIV/AIDS statistics. While coverage has steadily improved – it was estimated at 85% in 1996 and 89% in 2000 for adults6 – data quality is still lacking. Death certificate audits have revealed errors in as many as 45% of all records, a situation that hampers cause of death analysis.7–10 Moreover, misclassification of HIV/AIDS deaths occurs for reasons beyond these general quality issues. According to the guidelines given in the International Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, tenth revision (ICD-10), HIV/AIDS is the underlying cause of death when an HIV-positive individual dies from a co-morbid condition resulting from the HIV infection (codes B20–B24).11 In South Africa, issuers of death certificates seldom know or have access to an individual’s HIV status, and rural community leaders often omit it when they fill out abbreviated certificates. In addition, many people are unwilling to be tested for HIV for fear of stigma or of losing health insurance benefits. These factors, together with concerns regarding the confidentiality of death certificates, result in an underreporting of deaths from HIV/AIDS.” (http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/4/11-086280/en/)

      Which explains these most recent Government stats (2014): Life expectancy in South Africa has increased dramatically over the last decade, mainly thanks to life-saving Aids drugs, a government report says. South Africans are living on average up to 61.2 years compared to 52.2 years nearly 10 years ago, the figures show. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28592255) (http://beta2.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0302/P03022014.pdf)

      And one of the most pernicious products being sold as CAMS to this vulnerable group are “immunity boosters” – most without a shred of evidence that they have ANY effect on immunity.

  40. Leon 10 August, 2014 at 7:48 pm #

    I took part in a cycle race yesterday (Carousel Classic) and as part of the entry pack, i received a free pack consisting of Miracle Magnesium Oil and Sports Gel, with numerous pamphlets/brochures advertising the miraculous benefits of the stuff. What made me immediately suspicious/cynical was the wide range of ailments it claimed to cure – in fact everything short of the Gaza war.

    It seems the giveaway came from Body Detox in Pretoria (Lynnwood). Interesting is the fact they claim in the small print that Platinum Lifestyle (not sure where they fit in) “makes no claim that this product is a cure….”, yet they claim they “MAY” lower blood pressure, cholestrol etc etc…

    I have thrown the samples in the bin.

  41. richard 11 August, 2014 at 5:16 am #

    Thanks for the additional information and your take on how the figures should be interpreted. One thing that you wont get an arguement from me on is that government reporting certainly leaves a lot to be desired. The other is that AIDS/HIV is one of the greatest medical challenges facing the world today. Bearing that in mind and accepting errors in reporting, it still requires a quantum leap of faith to accept estimates of that magnitude over the reported stats. Don’t get me wrong, I am more than willing to acknowledge that aids related deaths would be higher than the almost 4% reported in the stats. Due of course, to the fact that people do not die from aids per-se but rather illnesses which they would normally be able to recover from, not necessarily reported as AIDS related. I was merely using your methodologies in highlighting statistics to make a point. Predictably in this instance (although not your normal approach to statistics)you chose to accept the estimates to make your point. (Not without some justification I acknowledge.) And yes you are perfectly correct in saying “context is everything”. Let me assure you I am in no way trying to minimize the impact of HIV/AIDS not only in South Africa but on the world in general. Thanks again for the debate. It has been interesting.

  42. richard 11 August, 2014 at 12:33 pm #

    What a shame you felt it was ok to remove my last post. Perhaps I was overly generous when I said it was pleasing that you were actually airing alternate opinions. Oh well it is your blog. Last thing you want is to have your credibility questioned. Does not change the facts however. Remember people, if someone wants to rely on estimates whilst dismissing the reported statistics you may be justified in questioning their impartiality. Your choice. I know what I think. And yes Harris. Context is everything. Whatever you readers do. Do yourselves a favour and have a look at what else is available out there. You just might be surprised. Dont be lead around by the nose. Do your own research and make your own decisions. Always question one sided and single minded opinion. Likely as not, this post will also be removed.

    • Harris 11 August, 2014 at 9:02 pm #

      @Richard
      I have been out of the office for a few days and cannot respond to every comment timeously!

  43. richard 12 August, 2014 at 2:13 am #

    Understood. Fair comment. Thanks again.
    Leon. the disclaimer on the product is required by law.. it is as a consequence of regulations put in place by the FDA and accepted by local equivalent bodies. As for the claims I have seen many of them and agree that some seem unbelievable. However the benefits of magnesium to your body seem fairly undisputable. Does it cure cancer or aids. I dont think so. Does it assist in getting your body back into balance? I believe it does. When your system is balanced the opportunity for disease taking hold is minimised. Cure no. Preventative? Probably a contributing factor. I do not think Harris is disputing that maintaining appropriate levels of magnesium in your system is good for you. I beleieve his arguement is whether it works transdermally and the fact that many suppliers make unsubstantiated claims. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

    • Harris 12 August, 2014 at 7:48 am #

      @Richard
      Correct. Taking the right form of magnesium orally for those with a deficiency and symptoms of magnesium deficiency, will benefit. And magnesium does play a role in many illnesses but are “associated” with illnesses but not the cause, and supplementing with magnesium will have no effect on the disease but ameliorate the magnesium deficiency and alleviate some of the consequences of that deficiency – but I stress, will have no effect on that particular disease. The second aspect is that there is no proof that magnesium chloride is absorbed through the skin. Maybe it is, maybe not, but based on an understanding of the physiological parameters allowing absorption through the skin, it is unlikely. If research confirms that magnesium chloride does indeed penetrate the skin and enter the bloodstream in a sufficient dose, I would be acknowledge this.

  44. richard 12 August, 2014 at 5:19 pm #

    Yes definitely more studies needed to satisfy people such as yourself and others who question the efficacty of transdermal application of “Magnesium Oil”. It is easy to get people to accept a position if they are disposed to that position in the first instance. Equally difficult for those of the opposite persuasion. Here is a link to a small study. Nine people only and using a brand name product (one would assume that if they are paying for the study they are entitled to put their name to it). It seems to indicate that transdermal application of magnesium chloride in the form of magnesium oil (not really an oil) and foot soaks led to an increased in the levels of measurable magnesium in the body of the test subjects. Additionally they support many of their assertions with relevant sources. Product brand aside there seems to be some evidence to indicate transdermal absorption occurs but at widely varying levels from individual to individual. And before you point it out to me, I agree more subjects are needed to give added credibility to the results. http://www.cnelm.com/NutritionPractitioner/Issues/Issue_11_1/Articles/7%20Transdermal%20Mg%20revised2.pdf

  45. Lindsay 21 August, 2014 at 8:14 am #

    Hi

    I saw a popup requesting that I let you know where I have seen Miracle Mg advertising – it is in the latest issue of Natural Medicine. Still alot of questionable claims.

  46. dasa 26 August, 2014 at 1:02 am #

    Aloha from Hawaii !!
    Dear Harris,
    My first question is, “Have you personally tried magnesium oil?. This will be a yes or no answer. I can go on telling you for hours how sweet honey is, but unless you try it you will never know how sweet it is. I have had 2 heart attacks and have been taking 6 different prescription medications for 10 years. I still get chest pain occasionally. Today I started to have significant chest pain and had my nitro bottle in my hand and decided to try magnesium oil under my tongue instead. I did 5 sprays and in less than 20 seconds my chest pain was gone! “WOW WHAT A GREAT PLACEBO EFFECT!!!” And, I did not even get the placebo headache that I usually get when I take nitro. It has been my experience that one of the first things that medical personnel do in treating a heart attack is give a big dose of magnesium chloride. Thanks for your website, it would be real nice if you would step out of the box and be more open. Some of these natural treatments can be helpful.

    • Harris 27 August, 2014 at 8:34 am #

      @Dasa
      1. There is no guarantee that the product you used is the same as the locally available one
      2. If you believe that this works for you, good for you. You are correct, it could have been a placebo effect, who knows, for one thing I can guarantee readers, is that if you take this product for angina, you are playing dice with your life. I ask that readers use a proven treatment for angina, whether it is big pharma or a CAM or… as long as there is PROOF that it works – not anecdotal belief. And as far as I know, there is no CAM that has been shown to work, for if it did, it will then be called a MEDICINE!

  47. Huibrie 26 August, 2014 at 8:08 am #

    Hi
    I have been using the oil for about a year. My muscle cramps and joint aches became worse the last couple of months and I was feeling sick all the time. A week ago I decided to stop drinking the oil and now I feel so much better, so I decided to look on the internet to see if anybody else had the same experience.

  48. dasa 27 August, 2014 at 9:46 pm #

    from Dictionary.com MEDECINE Synonyms Examples Word Origin
    noun
    1.
    any substance or substances used in treating disease or illness; medicament; remedy.
    2.
    the art or science of restoring or preserving health or due physical condition, as by means of drugs, surgical operations or appliances, or manipulations: often divided into medicine proper, surgery, and obstetrics.
    3.
    the art or science of treating disease with drugs or curative substances, as distinguished from surgery and obstetrics.
    4.
    the medical profession.
    5.
    (among North American Indians) any object or practice regarded as having magical powers.
    verb (used with object), medicined, medicining.
    6.
    to administer medicine to.

    • Harris 29 August, 2014 at 9:49 am #

      @Dasa
      There is a dictionary definition of a medicine, but also a regulatory definition that all have to subscribe to from a legal point of view.

      In South Africa, the legal DEFINITION of a “medicine” (according to Act 101 of 1965):
      any substance or mixture of substances used or purporting to be suitable for use or manufactured or sold for use in-
      (a) the diagnosis, treatment, mitigation, modification or prevention of disease, abnormal physical or mental state or the symptoms thereof in man; or
      (b) restoring, correcting or modifying any somatic or psychic or organic function in man,
      and includes any veterinary medicine.

      At present the South African legal definition of a complementary medicine is this:
      “Complementary medicine” means any substance or mixture of substances that –
      a. Originates from plants, minerals or animals;
      b. Is used or intended to be used for, or manufactured or sold for use in assisting the innate healing power of a human being or animal to mitigate, modify, alleviate or prevent illness or the symptoms thereof or abnormal physical or mental state; and
      c. Is used in accordance with the practice of the professions regulated under the Allied Health Professions Act.
      (which are Ayurveda, Chinese medicine & Acupuncture, Chiropractic, Homeopathy, Naturopathy, Osteopathy, Phytotherapy, Therapeutic aromatherapy, Therapeutic massage therapy, Therapeutic reflexology, Unani-Tibb)

  49. Anette Dunn 2 September, 2014 at 7:59 am #

    Selling the products at the health shop in Kenilworth Centre Cape Town, also distributing the pamphlets there

  50. carol 4 September, 2014 at 9:21 am #

    In die nuutste Huisgenoot (4 September 2014) en die Vrouekeur (5 September 2014) het daar weer volbladsy advertensies van Miracle Magnesium verskyn. Sy maak nou nie woordeliks aanspraak op die wondere wat dit kan verrig nie,maar daar is drie foto’s waar daar duidelik gesinspeel word op waarvoor hierdie middel sal help. ‘n Vrou hou haar kop vas (hoofpyn)’n man hou sy rug vas (rugpyn) ‘n vrou hou haar voet vas,(rumatiek).’n Mens het nou seker nie ‘n geniale IK nodig om te weet waarna dit verwys nie.

    • Harris 4 September, 2014 at 5:01 pm #

      @Carol
      Baie dankie!
      Het die nou gekry en gesien en ‘n klag is ingedien!
      Wys jou net, jy kan nie eers vir Huisgenoot vertrou nie.

  51. Leslie 9 September, 2014 at 2:16 pm #

    hi i picked up a flyer in the pharmacy, so i ordered the miracle magnesium oil.But i have not paid yet i went on the website to ead about it first, but came across your webpage.
    please let me know if this is really a scam.and help me find the real thing thanks.

    • Harris 9 September, 2014 at 3:21 pm #

      @Leslie
      Can you tell me which pharmacy? Miracle magnesium oil is a source of magnesium, when taken orally. But as a treatment or prevention of all the conditions they list, nonsense!

  52. Leslie 9 September, 2014 at 2:19 pm #

    I need to know how they allow this product in a pharmacy if it is a scam?

    • Harris 9 September, 2014 at 3:19 pm #

      @Leslie
      Great question! The pharmacy also has to survive, so some pharmacies stock even scam products because if you buy it, they still earn from the sale of it. If they complied with the ethics of the Pharmacy Council, they would not stock the product for the claims being made on it.

  53. Sharon Offord 10 September, 2014 at 7:09 pm #

    I received a free sample of ‘Magnesium Inflama Spray’ in a cycling race ‘goodie bag’ a while ago. I have also seen ‘miracle magnesium’ products for sale in my local pharmacy.

    • Harris 11 September, 2014 at 9:24 pm #

      Thanks for letting us know, following up on this.

  54. carol 11 September, 2014 at 11:42 am #

    Alweer volblad advertensies in die Huisgenoot en Vrouekeur. Sy oortref haarself egter in die advertensie in die Brits Pos, plaaslike koerantjie van die dorp Brits in Noord-Wes.Hier beweer sy dit is getoets deur die SABS en word deur dokters aanbeveel.Sy beweer dit werk vir die volgende: Spysvertering, vet verbrander, hardlywigheid, winderigheid, waterretensie, konsentrasie, cholesterol, moegheid, en nierstene.Die foto’s wat geplaas word toon n ‘dokter’ met n stetoskoop om sy nek.

    • Harris 12 September, 2014 at 8:04 am #

      @Carol
      Baie dankie!
      Is dit moontlik om ‘n kopie van die advertensie te kry?

  55. Richard Danel 17 September, 2014 at 3:41 pm #

    Coincidently, I came across ‘Camcheck’ a couple of days ago.
    Being a Medical Doctor myself, I advocate the academic and fact based approach that Camcheck stands for.

    But the column about ‘Miracle Magnesium Oil scam/fraud’ by colleague Dr. Harris Steinman is below standard. Why so careless? It leaves the latest facts and insights into magnesium and human mineral balance totally disregarded. The same goes for the impressing amount of worldwide new evidence.
    It’s trendy to blog and the more output, the more your star rises on the internet. The Google approach.
    But,….this blog behaviour is not the way to represent the academic body of thought and neither is the unnecessary too fierce tone and over-frequent excessive use of shouting capitals and words like 5 times ‘nonsense’ in just a few sentences.

    Just some thoughts I’d like to share with people who like to think,……………

    1. In contrast to Dr. Harris Steinman’s observation, there are many doctors and patients who do use Magnesium Chloride in order to prevent or recover from sinusitis. Successfully. I’m one of them myself. Many of my family members and friends too. As well as many of my colleagues and theirs. The fact that Dr. Harris Steinman is not aware and doesn’t use it himself, is not relevant academically.
    2. Mutatis mutandis goes the same for the use of magnesium chloride in allergic and many other skin conditions. And numerous other medical disorders positively correlated with a lack of magnesium.
    3. Amazingly Dr. Harris Steinman doesn’t mention, or maybe even is not aware that the mineral magnesium is one of the three life essentials (Water, Oxygen, Magnesium) and that modern Western society suffers for a Chronic Latent Magnesium Deficiency (CLMD). It is therefore that magnesium should not be regarded as a medicine. Questioning the exact doses of magnesium, water or oxygen is an astray and below the academic standard.
    4. Dr. Harris Steinman notices that general health practitioners do not prescribe magnesium (yet) and concludes therefore that is nonsense to prescribe magnesium. This way of thinking equals the assumption that we do know it all about medicine right now and that no new insights will show up anymore from now on. Definitively a non-academic approach.
    5. Finally, the concept of transdermal uptake of magnesium chloride is totally rejected.
    Instead of an academic approach cherishing curiosity and aiming for researching how all this world wide evidence might be explained. Here’s an interesting link to a hypothesis that might make sense to elaborate further research on transdermal uptake of magnesium oil: http://www.magnesiumhealthinstitute.com/information_education.htm

    Make sense, no non sense. Think before you write, your audience deserves it and expects you to do your homework thoroughly.
    If appreciated, I will be available with great pleasure to provide you the information you might have been missing.

    Richard Danel, MD

    • Harris 17 September, 2014 at 10:28 pm #

      Readers should note that Dr Richard Danel is not exactly an independent objective health professional. He is Chairman of Magnesium Health Institute ‘that researches the improvement of magnesium balance and the role magnesium has for healthy ageing’.

      I state this not to cast a disparaging eye over his comment but to put it into context.
      His point that the “concept of transdermal uptake of magnesium chloride is totally rejected” is based simply on the premise that very few substances are absorbed through the skin, and if one is going to make a claim that it is, it is absolutely and without any argument required by those making that claim, to prove that it is true. Simple. And the proof has to stand up to peer scrutiny. Simple. So at Dr Danel’s site, he posts “Transdermal resorption of magnesium oil: Hypothesis”. Note, “hypothesis” – which simply means that there is no proof, only a theory/hypothesis that this is possible.

      And if one cares to read my post it does make it absolutely clear that magnesium is essential to life, but that does not give any seller of the product to make the claims to the extent that are being made, without adequate proof.

      So what is the evidence, for example, for magnesium and sinusitis? If one searches PubMed (“PubMed comprises more than 24 million citations for biomedical literature from MEDLINE, life science journals, and online books. Citations may include links to full-text content from PubMed Central and publisher web sites”) one does not find a single article that confirms this benefit.[1] Is is possible? Of course, anything is possible, but proof needs to be supplied to show that is does occur for until then, it is simply a theory/hypothesis.

      [1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=(magnesium%20AND%20sinusitis)

    • scott 11 May, 2015 at 9:48 am #

      Love your post Richard, Magnesium helped me with my autonomic dysfunction and is one heck of a good anti inflammatory. I learned of Magnesium oil ( make it myself very cheap ) from a sports medicine doctor ( will not display names ) but am very thankful for the input of real people giving it a shot and finding their own answers.
      hats off to you.

      • Harris 11 May, 2015 at 10:38 am #

        @Scott
        There is no evidence at all that magnesium chloride (Miracle Magnesium) is a great anti-inflammatory, although research does indicate that the expression of inflammatory mediators such as tumour necrosis factor α (TNFα) and nuclear factor κβ (NFκβ) is down regulated. If there was sufficient evidence, even Big Pharma would be advertising magnesium products for this use. However, if one gets cramps during sport as a result of low magnesium, then magnesium chloride may be of benefit.

        • scott 14 May, 2015 at 9:33 am #

          @Harris, with my extreme low blood pressure due to the spinal cord injury I figured I would give magnesium chloride a shot, tried a lot of other things, midodrine, florineff acetate etc. but they had limited results. taking magnesium blood pressure came up a bit, I go to the bathroom regularly now and have quicker recovery times from dizzy spells. I’m not saying this stuff is a miracle, but it sure is helping. me and a buddy who is a type 2 diabetic split the cost on an 8lb bag of flakes, we both have great results in every way. the stuff is cheap and effective ( if you buy the flakes and make it yourself ). I take 300mg for every 100lbs of body weight and it does help. its not an overnight cure for anything that I know of, other people noticed I am able to do a bit more before I did. science or no science, it’s a real help for a lot of people with all kinds of problems and maybe the medical community should look into its benefits. eg. my problem was not recognised until enough people had it and it became consistent with the complaints of patients that they finally recognised it..as with this, there seems to be a consistency here with the people it is helping

          • Harris 16 May, 2015 at 10:08 am #

            @Scott
            The medical commmunity have looked at magnesium and acknowledge the benefits for it in specific conditions, where proof of it’s benefits are demonstrated. But these are a narrow range of conditions – not like the wide-range of bull claims that Marcelle du Plessis / Miracle Magnesium make simply for commercial greed.

  56. Betty 6 October, 2014 at 6:16 pm #

    Ek is bo 65 jaar, en het artritis -veral in my hande. 2013 was ons met vakansie, en bure het vir my gesê ek moet Miracle Magnesium drink. My pinkie was blou en dik en krom, weggetrek van my ander vingers en baie pynlik. Ek het dadelik begin drink en na SES maande was daar skielik n baie groot verbetering. My vinger se vorm is amper weer normaal, hy kan buig, en ek het weer my ring aangesit. Dit is sleg om te drink, ek het werklik min geglo dat dit sal help, maar dis wonderlik. Nie onmiddellike resultate, maar n reuse verbetering. Ek wonder hoe sou my hande wees as ek dit nie gebruik het nie. Ek drink dit nou n jaar.

    • Harris 8 October, 2014 at 12:10 pm #

      @Betty
      As did ses maande geneem het vir ‘n verbetering, dan was dit nie deur Miracle Magnesium voorgebring nie. Artitis kom en gaan natuurlik, dit kan wel wees dat jy deur hierdie fase gaan.

  57. Richard Danel, MD 8 October, 2014 at 5:11 pm #

    I agree with Dr. Harris Steinman´s viewpoint.

    In addition, there’s more to favour that magnesium supplementation might have helped very well to diminish the symptoms of Betty’s artritis.
    Here’s the explanation:
    One must take into account that according to the FDA (Food & Drug Administration), more than 50% of Western civilisation suffers for Chronic Latent Magnesium Deficiency (CLMD, Prof. Dr. Ronald Elin, University of Louisville, USA), due to soil depletion and food processing.
    Artitis is just one of the many disorders that are correlated with magnesium deficiency.
    Like cardiovascular diseases and diabetes type two, just to mention some other examples of diseases that we might encounter during ageing.
    Not caused by the magnesium deficiency per sé, but because of CLMD we are just way more vulnerable to develop such diseases. The magnesium deficiency also enhances symptoms and pain and makes it harder to heal.
    That’s why it is so important to evaluate always the magnesium balance when coping with these kind of complaints.

    Richard Danel, MD

    • Harris 8 October, 2014 at 5:59 pm #

      @Richard
      Could you please supply the reference for your statement that “according to the FDA (Food & Drug Administration), more than 50% of Western civilisation suffers for Chronic Latent Magnesium Deficiency”? It is important for readers to be able to read the source.

      One reference to Prof Elin’s article is this one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20736141

  58. Richard Danel, MD 9 October, 2014 at 10:12 am #

    Amongst others, more information regarding the inadequate magnesium intake and referring articles is to find here: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/9/2879.full

    • Harris 9 October, 2014 at 10:36 am #

      @Richard
      I am still awaiting the reference for your statement that “according to the FDA (Food & Drug Administration), more than 50% of Western civilisation suffers for Chronic Latent Magnesium Deficiency”

      @Readers
      The link that Richard supplies is dated 2003. There does not appear to be much research subsequent to that date. It is important to appreciate that there is still some debate whether the ‘normal’ level for magnesium has been set correctly, i.e., is too high and therefore assessments of blood levels appear to be low. Also, there is still some controversy whether magnesium is simply associated with, or a cause of certain illnesses and conditions (although proven in some). In the former, giving magnesium will have little to no effect on the condition.
      For example, the role of magnesium in diabetes is stated thus: “The body of evidence from epidemiological studies consistently shows a strong inverse relationship between dietary magnesium intake and the risk of developing T2D (Type2 Diabetes); however, results from clinical trials are scarce and controversial”. (2011 Rodríguez-Morán et al. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22198525)

  59. Richard Danel, MD 10 October, 2014 at 5:31 am #

    Not only Prof. Dr. Ronald Elin, who is a member of the FDA advisory board published about magnesium metabolism and deficiency and dietary intake:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3282851

    http://www.jle.com/fr/revues/mrh/e-docs/serum_magnesium_a_biomarker_of_cardiovascular_risk_revisited__293464/article.phtml?tab=texte

    Here’s to find another study regarding too low dietary magnesium intake:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12949381/

    Also Torshin and Gromova contributed with their comprehensive book viewing on widely spread magnesium deficiency in modern society.
    Many studies and meta analysis give evidence for the correlation between many diseases and magnesium deficiency, as well as for the need of magnesium supplementation:
    [link deleted as no longer active]

    Richard Danel, MD

    • Harris 10 October, 2014 at 7:32 am #

      @Richard
      You do not do your cause any favours.
      1. These still do not substantiate the statement you made below.
      2. Two references are dated 1988 and 2003. Why no recent references? The third reference, which is 2012 states unequivocally: “In conclusion, sMg may have some use as a biomarker for cardiovascular risk. If coronary risk is stratified across the concentration range of a key electrolyte, failure to invest research efforts in such cardiovascular fundamentals, . . “. In other words, the jury is still out, “we do not know enough”.

      This is exactly what I have said – there is no overwhelming or robust consensus on this issue. It appears that Prof Elin has not published anything since 2002. Is he still alive? His CV at http://www.jurispro.com/files/documents/doc-1066204532-resume.pdf does not mention of being a member of the FDA advisory board, is the CV not current?

      Here is the most recent published review (2013), which concludes:
      This review highlights areas where magnesium has been shown to improve symptoms of migraine headaches, Alzheimer’s disease, cerebrovascular accident (stroke), hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and type 2 diabetes mellitus. Although not all researchers have reported improvements or cause-and-effect relationships. there is good evidence to support the positive influence that magnesium has on overall health. More research is required, however, with larger sample sizes to further elucidate magnesium’s effect on health. Longer term, prospective studies using similar amounts and types of magnesium supplementation are also needed to definitively establish a dose–response effect and the best type of magnesium to use“. http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/3/378S.long

  60. Marie van Niekerk 19 October, 2014 at 8:25 am #

    a retailer is selling this magnesium miracle oil, 3 bottles for less than 1 bottle price. is this because of these claims of fraud?

    • Harris 22 October, 2014 at 9:25 am #

      @Marie
      This appears to be simply a business decision. The profit on this item is so high, that it is easy to drop the price significantly and still make a very large profit. But it still remains a scam, i.e., making claims that are not justifiable.

  61. jim 4 November, 2014 at 10:03 pm #

    Hi Dr Harris.
    You are doing a good job here about this Miracle Magnesium Oil. I just bought two red ones and a blue one-total R500(dis-chem in polokwane. 100ml bottles. What a joke the price is!
    I was after the kalahari salt brand 250ml around R60 a bottle.
    For starters the term “Miracle” should not be allowed and the price is shocking. Clearly i agree with you that this particular brand should be band.
    However…. i have to say you continuously ask other people for their proper research- in particular i think you are looking for a pubmed research-which as you know selectively allows research papers to be published according to what pharmaceutical companies want.
    Anecdotal evidence is evidence and the foundation of gold standard scientific evidence. I can certainly say that i use magnesium oil(not this Miracle stuff) but simply magnesium oil alone. I use it on my clients with fantastic results..anecdotal yes in fact many of them didn’t even know what i was putting in their drinks or on their bodies and still there were results. So no placebo or Nocebo effects 🙂
    It would be a simple paper to take ones Mg content(not from blood tests which are about as useful for pH) before smothering the skin and then after. Normally a simple test like this is not done by pharmeceuticals because the answer is already known :)I do take umbrage with the way you character assasinate the many doctors that champion Mg et al.
    It wasn’t long ago that Doctors, perhaps just like you ridiculed your own for daring to think outside of what they had been told in uni and hospital. I of course am talking about Dr BJ Marshall who discovered H.Pylori as a cause of stomach ulcer..The medical profession then believed that no bacteria could survive in the stomach!? I could go on with the needless suffering and death caused by a medical/scientific community that are 20yrs plus behind and display an enormous amount of ignorance considering the intelligence of Drs.
    I must also ask how much nutrition did you study?
    lets look at the real charlatans and quacks, the medical professions- yearly millions of people die of prescription drug use. How many die from Mg? Or Sodium Bicarbonate- another substance you rubbish. Why aren’t oncologists locked up for mass murder? Over 90% of chemo patients die within 5yrs. In fact anecdotally i can tell you the only chemo patient i have seen survive past 5yrs was one that went to integrative medicine and received numerous IV Vitamin C drips.
    To sum up- don’t throw stones at other people who are “doing no harm” by pushing micronutrients as necessary and in the right doses acting as medicine-because the “orthodox” medical profession is full of murderers and are more and more becoming sales reps for pharmeceuticals.
    Secondly i am very much in favour of MgCl, i know without a doubt that it is taken up by the skin and with DMSO is taken up even better and faster. Really you cannot continue to refute this as medicine uses transdermal patches for things like fentanyl,nitroglycerin and of course nicotine patches.Is it really such a big mental jump to think MgCl can cross transdermally???
    Anyway go get these Miracle Magnesium people..Miracles are reserved for religion, not marketing gimmicks.

    • Harris 4 November, 2014 at 10:41 pm #

      @Jim
      If you read carefully, you will see that I do not favour Big Pharma over CAM, or any treatment over another. I simply argue that one requires good evidence before making any claims. Without evidence, the claims could simply be bogus. And anecdotal evidence is useless. Many years ago doctors believed from ‘anecdotal evidence’ that bleeding people made them better. They were dead wrong – only a study showed this.

      Unfortunately you make a number of unfair illogical jumps. It is true that Dr Marshall made a major discovery, but contrast this with the many other doctors making claims that proved to be false. Because nitroglycerin can be absorbed through the skin does not mean that MgCl can – the great majority of compounds simply do not – there is no evidence that MgCl does, it belongs in the latter category.

      You cannot compare the millions dying from prescription medicines with CAMS, the former are medicines with high risk side effects used for very serious diseases for which no CAMS exist, and for which patients have no other therapeutic choice – either take it and get some relief (with the risk of side effects), or suffer from the condition. And how about the millions of people who suffer cruelly because of taking scam medicines when a better alternative may be available? For example, the most recent advert for this scam claims that it is effective for “relaxing the muscles and therefore lowering blood pressure, relieves cramps, constipation, headaches, asthma, neck spasms and improves peaceful sleep. It also claims that magnesium reduces acid in the body, as well as assists with heartburn, digestion, flatulence, weight-loss, brakes down fat, assists with diabetes, IBS and low blood sugar”. Now consumers could have been taking a much, much, more effective treatment for these conditions than this rubbish. And imagine the danger to patients using this for asthma and high blood pressure and diabetes. These are serious conditions and makes Marcelle du Plessis, the owner of this company, simply a callous, unconscionable person.

      Your example of chemo meds is unfair and in fact ridiculous. There is NO CAM alternative for cancer, if there were effective ones, doctors would be using these. Patients with cancer are given a fully informed choice to make: no treatment, these are your options; take treatment with terrible side effects, and this is a possible outcome. Patients then have to make a fully informed, dreadful decision. At least with chemotherapy, for some conditions a possible cure, in others, maybe a few weeks or months of extra survival. With CAMS, almost certainly death AND a waste of your money.

      Please compare apples with apples and not apples with plastic pears.

  62. Jeremy 21 November, 2014 at 11:59 am #

    My pharmacy in Bredasdorp is selling the product.

    I saw the advert in November 2014 Kuier magazine with a special, I almost purchaced a full year supply because I have a few ailments that it supposedly can cure.

    I was reccomended now to something else.

    Regards

    • Harris 21 November, 2014 at 12:47 pm #

      @Jeremy
      Thanks for the head’s up. Also received a breach ASA ruling against the claims today.

  63. jim 22 November, 2014 at 10:22 pm #

    Doc Harris
    Thanks for replying. First i agree with you there are some whacky CAM out there which shouldn’t be. I also don’t like the name “miracle” for any drug. In fact you may find “Miracle Mineral Solution” had to change to “Multiple Mineral Solution” and this may help you re:trading standards and advertising rules.

    {You cannot compare the millions dying from prescription medicines with CAMS, the former are medicines with high risk side effects used for very serious diseases for which no CAMS exist, and for which patients have no other therapeutic choice – either take it and get some relief (with the risk of side effects), or suffer from the condition}

    Sorry i can’t seem to “quote” or bold your paragraph. The above is what you wrote and in fact i CAN compare “orthodox” drugs with CAMS. You don’t want me too because the history and reality of it actually demonstrates that “orthodox”scientifically proven drugs- a standard you say you are looking for-are and have actually seriously harmed and killed multiple millions of people.2-4million Americans a year are severly affected by drugs that are scientifically proven and tested and allowed in the market-150 000 die from the very drugs scientifically proven and tested to help them-exactly what you champion!!?. I list for you the top 5 drugs- Warfarin,Dabigatran,Levofloxacin,Carboplatin and Lisinopril. If i may throw in VIOXX, thalidomide and chantix champix and Zyban to name a very few.
    So yes you cannot compare CAMS to the orthodox medicine you support and agree with their scientific evidence leading up to their release in public. You cannot compare these because your medicines kill and harm hundreds of millions of people and tell me how many people has MgCl killed?????

    I can tell you are the new generation of doctors, you have been taught what the schools want you to learn, your Nutrition knowledge is zero and like most doctors-you are really miffed that all that time spent in training and education was wasted as the cure for most things is taught to us all in Matric or pre-Matric Re:optimum temperature and pH.Also you really don’t know pharmacology and rely on what the drug companies tell you the drugs do. You are willingly or unwillingly simply at best a drugs rep, at worst a drug pusher.
    Before i start on the Magnesium let me also speak about cancer treatment that has been failing for nigh on 50years!! Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is …..madness! That is exactly what orthodox cancer treatment has been doing- yes you are a part of this goliath madness. Poison(chemotherapy), Burn(radiotherapy) Cut(operate)Cancer is not the result of a lack of radiotherapy or chemotherapy, never has been and never will be. For you to also add there is NO CAM ALTERNATIVE FOR CANCER IF THERE WAS DOCTORS WOULD BE USING THEM. Well here is some reading for you- most are Doctors or researchers
    Abram Hoffer,Linus Pauling,Nicholas Gonzalez,Burzynski,Andrew Saul,Max Gerson,Steve Hickey,Hilary Roberts,Thomas Levy. Just by changing the bodies pH,IV vitamin C or Cesium Chloride or DMSO have cured even the most aggressive cancers. There is more than enough documented cases and evidence for interested people to do a scientific study-but nothing is done because there is no profit to be made when an unpatentable substance cures a disease. Simple economics prevents a malaria vaccine from being produced- it is not profitable to sell to poor african and asian populations. If i may throw your mind to the new drugs that Doctors are pushing, statins! There are scientific trials that clearly showed Niacin(vitamin B3) performs better than statins and is 100%safe! When did you last tell a patient to go get some B3 as part of a cholesterol reducing program????
    Anyway you have a lot of other reading to get done.
    Let’s tackle this MgCl and your claim that it does not go in transdermally- MgSO4(epsom salts) in a University of Birmingham 2004 study showed a rise in Mg for people bathing in Epsom Salts, why would MgCl be different?In fact why don’t you prove it DOESN’T get absorbed..
    As for the things it helps, you know it reduces BP, it’s used in A&E to do just that.! You know it helps digestion,heartburn,reflux etc it is a base and therefore marries up with an acid- thus it does reduce acid in the body- it does reduce constipation- you know this, too much Mg causes loose stool.
    In fact you really have picked a loser here, one doesn’t need to be a Doctor to know these basics about Mg. Please be able to identify what an apple and pear are- you are the worryingly science of medicine.
    Perhaps with age you may realise that it is the art of medicine that truly seeks cures.
    In the fragile glass house you are in you shouldn’t be throwing stones- how many people has Mg killed as opposed to the millions your scientifically proven drugs have????????????

    • Harris 23 November, 2014 at 9:10 am #

      @Jim
      Sorry to have to say that your arguments are illogical and without foundation.

      I need to also point out that the University of Birmingham study has been discredited and never successfully reproduced by other researchers.

      Your claims that, for example, that Mg reduces BP is without any evidence.
      Your claim “just by changing the bodies pH,IV vitamin C or Cesium Chloride or DMSO have cured even the most aggressive cancers” is simply a lie – there is zero evidence that this is true. Readers can check for themselves at PubMed (1) and/or Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database (Unbiased, Scientific Clinical Information on Complementary, Alternative, and Integrative Therapies) (2)

      In some cancers, there has been no progress. In others, e.g., breast cancer, some forms of leukaemia, etc., there have been major success. Compare this with zero success for CAMS in treating a single type of cancer.

      Readers are welcome to read your reply and my arguments and make up their own mind.

      1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Cesium%20Chloride
      2. https://naturaldatabase.therapeuticresearch.com/

  64. Mary 23 November, 2014 at 12:07 pm #

    For clarity sake, do you discourage use of all transdermal magnesium oil or only the miracle magnesium oil?

    Thank you

    • Harris 23 November, 2014 at 9:34 pm #

      @Mary
      There is zero evidence that either are capable of being absorbed via the skin, and even if were able to, to have any effect on the range of diseases the advertisers’ claim for these ingredients.

  65. jim 24 November, 2014 at 12:40 pm #

    @Doc Harris- lets drop the cancer argument as i know i’m right 🙂 You are welcome to consult with me when one of your loved ones are affected- as will happen to all of us- as Modern medicines’ “war on cancer” has proliferated the “disease” from 1/10 to 1/3people acquiring it.(remember the only side effects of these “alternative” (read correct) treatments is.. good health:)

    The natural database link is one i cannot access without a subscription hmmm.
    Pubmed has very interesting data but again picks and chooses what it publishes!!
    For your readers see the shocking mess of how medical literature is manipulated to fit preconceived outcome:normally based on profit margins over health…
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/02/13/publication-bias.aspx

    With regards Mg(again the term Miracle in this instance is too much and should be dropped/changed-the price is horrendous too compared to Dis-chem own brand etc) BUT Mg is and does have many effects on the range of diseases advertised.I noticed you never agreed or denied what i wrote magnesium does… I already mentioned in my last post Mg does reduce blood pressure(in people with high BP-it won’t in people with normal BP) It helps reduce acidity and therefore reflux and loosens stool. It is used in medicine for cardiovascular events/reducing BP in pregnant women. It also helps with asthma-http://www.magnesiumeducation.com/lung-disease this link has all the links-many to PUBMED too 🙂
    Perhaps you and more importantly your readers can see my arguments are NOT illogical nor without foundation. In fact your arguments are illogical,and myopic. You say there is NO evidence that MgCl can be absorbed via the skin. It’s important to know that there is NO evidence to say otherwise,that MgCl CANNOT be absorbed by the skin.
    @Mary- There are clear uses and evidence of Magnesium having profound and life saving effects on humans for a variety of afflictions. What Doc Harris is probably trying to say is will the transdermal dose be high enough to have an effect on the bodies systems.
    From me it is a safe mineral and will “do no harm” unlike patented profitable drugs that are the great pretenders.(i give you calcium channel blockers as an example of profit over health)
    Finally i did flick across Pubmed experiments and immediately noticed that Magnesium Oxide was used(this is the cheapest and most ineffective type of Mg!!!And the dosage was ineffective.
    Remember good readers to critique and analyse these drug sponsored experiments. Many of them use the wrong type of mineral or vitamin and/or the wrong dosage to show that their drug is better than a natural unpatentable product.
    For example if i do a double blind gold standard scientific experiment with 1000 random chosen people to determine if alcohol(red wine 12%alcohol in this case)causes drunkeness …and i only give each participant a daily amount of 25ml divided into 5 doses….what do you think the outcome would be???? Yep-alcohol doesn’t cause people to become drunk as per scientific gold standard experimentation. So my dear learned friend Doc Harris-critique and analyse especially if the source is Pubmed.

    • Harris 24 November, 2014 at 3:24 pm #

      @Jim
      Again your arguments are nonsensical and your references inadequate. For example, mercola.com is a well known site advocating unsubstantiated beliefs and pseudoscience. As for PubMed, it may not contain information from every reputable journal, but most of the information of the “24 million citations for biomedical literature from MEDLINE, life science journals, and online books”, the majority are peer-reviewed and published and utilised by health professionals who practice medicine based on proof and not ‘belief’. You would rather have us belief no study taken up by a reputable data aggregator and rather quote sites that promote magnesium as evidence of benefit, which is simply ludicrous. This is no better than an individual referring me to a Big Pharma website to confirm a claim being made for a drug.

      And your example of alcohol as an experiment at least gave me a good laugh. That is NOT how an experiment would be conducted except by a bad scientist or an idiot (unless the hypothesis they were making was that 25 ml divided into 5 doses would not have any effect in the majority of people).

  66. jim 24 November, 2014 at 1:52 pm #

    Another website for readers-DR Carolyn Dean is one of the most knowledgeable people about Magnesium and has written a few books. She is also one of the editors of the world famous
    Orthomolecular Medicine Journal
    http://www.orthomolecular.org
    Let me pre-empt your obvious reply to the above…
    Of course Dr Dean was disciplined and struck of the MD register for ordering tests not in line with current practices and advising diet changes, enemas and strengthening the immune system and treating candida(which 90% of us have too much of)It ended that DR DEAN DID NOT HARM ANY OF HER PATIENTS WITH HER TREATMENT
    Now put drugs prescribed by doctors under the scrutiny Dean went through and 90% of MDs would be struck off for the gross negligence of HARMING/KILLING THEIR PATIENTS BY PRESCRIBING POISON.
    Dr Dean is in the business of treating healthiness. Run of the mill Doctors are taught and treat diseases- they have little/no knowledge about health and how to achieve it.

    • Harris 24 November, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

      @All
      Besides Dr Carolyn Dean being declared being “unfit to practice” and her registration certificate being revoked, looking at her websites and blogs, it is very clear she is a first class quack. I would take her advise with a pinch of salt. Or should that be magnesium?

      And you state that “DR DEAN DID NOT HARM ANY OF HER PATIENTS WITH HER TREATMENT”. This is nonsense. Advocating nonsense for potentially serous conditions and therefore resulting in a delay in appropriate care, or not getting proper care, is a serious offense and no less harmful than giving someone a treatment that is harmful. If I promote magnesium for hypertension and the patient does not get appropriate treatment for this condition, and then has a stroke, I am just as guilty for causing harm.

      The Orthomolecular Medicine Journal has been euphemistically called a ‘controversial’ journal. As beautifully put: “Whether orthomolecular medicine presents viable treatment options for disease or it’s just quackery and snake oil, it doesn’t appear to be going anywhere after more than 40 years in existence.” [1] This journal was started by Dr Hoffer, who felt his beliefs were not being taken seriously, and reputable journals not accepting his theories. As stated by Steven Novella, “Hoffer has had 40 years to do more and more rigorous research, to produce the data that would convince even a skeptical mainstream scientific community that his ideas are correct. If he truly believes that he is right, then this is the path that would help the most patients by changing the standard of care. Rather, he formed his own fringe journal and fringe community where he can brood about the conspiracy of mainstream psychiatry and rail against the dogma of rigorous scientific research.” [2]

      1. http://health.howstuffworks.com/medicine/modern-treatments/orthomolecular-medicine4.htm.
      2. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/pyroluria-and-orthomolecular-psychiatry/

  67. James 3 December, 2014 at 12:21 am #

    I will not defend Dean and her “miracle” Mag, I happen to think its way over priced, however lets not throw out the baby with the bath water. Epsom salts have been around for decades for good reason, to absorb Magnesium via the largest organ of the human body. Mag Chloride oil is absorbed and works wonders for Afib and other heart conditions. If Dr Harris does not believe this, then maybe we can add some LSD or Opium to this oil and watch him go wild with the non absorbent oils.

    • Harris 3 December, 2014 at 7:53 am #

      @James
      This is a logical fallacy. Although Epsom salts have been around for long, it has never been proven to be absorbed or having an effect through skin absorption. Taking it orally does result in absorption. Regarding adding LSD or opium is no proof at all! We know from science that nicotine is highly absorbed through the skin. So by adding it to sea sand and putting it on your skin, will result in absorption of nicotine – but not sea sand! Likewise, showing absorption of opium or LSD through the skin will simply show that these two are absorbed, not that magnesium is also absorbed!

  68. James 15 December, 2014 at 5:15 pm #

    http://www.mgwater.com/transdermal.shtml
    This is not fallacy, it is factual backed up by double blind studies. Taking it orally results in less absorption than transdermal just like a nicotine patch. Heres my suggestion to you if you want to retain more Mag and put your theory there at the same time. http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Magnesium_Per_Rectum

  69. Roward 18 December, 2014 at 2:34 pm #

    They are advertising under a Facebook profile called “Magnesium Oil South Africa”.

  70. Roward 18 December, 2014 at 2:57 pm #

    They are advertising under a Facebook profile called “Magnesium Oil South Africa”.

    • Harris 18 December, 2014 at 5:05 pm #

      Thank you, the ASA has no jurisdiction over Facebook ads, allowing psychopaths to advertise scams with no constraint.

  71. Nico 21 December, 2014 at 10:16 am #

    I am a healthy 59 years of age. Not very active and overweight due to a back operation and an own engineering business (I get other people to do the physical work).
    Years ago, when still active and cycling I used “slowmag” for cramps which made my stomach run. I have been suffering from constipation, with bleeding piles and terrible cramps at night for the last 3 years. I think it was from taking a cholesterol tablet at night. I stopped using the cholesterol medication for a month and the constipation was gone, but was advised to take it again. I recalled the effect of the “slowmag” and when reading the magnesium ad I tried it. I took more than the prescribed dosage and within a short period of time my constipation and piles were a thing of the past. The night cramps (touch wood) did not come back as yet. Maybe the product have not been accepted by the medical profession, as you say, but expensive medicines and supplements did not work for me thus far and “miracle magnesium oil” did. As far as I know, with no side effects. Magnesium supplements, that’s been registered, and expensive, works, so I ask the question “why magnesium in a different form cannot work”? I am an artisan and I do not understand high medical explanations and I am not advertising for anyone I just know what “miracle magnesium oil” did for me!! Tanks so far.

    • Harris 21 December, 2014 at 1:46 pm #

      @Nico
      Thanks for your valid comment.
      It reminds me to re-state that we never said that miracle magnesium would NOT work for ALL the conditions claimed, e.g, sinusitis, cancer, etc., etc., but that the claims were false for the majority of the conditions claimed. Very few conditions, e.g., cramps due to magnesium deficiency, have evidence of benefit. We also stated that although very few of these conditions may benefit from oral miracle magnesium, that there is no proof that applying it to your skin would benefit you, i.e., no proof it is absorbed through the skin.

  72. Mack 22 December, 2014 at 6:35 pm #

    Lies, lies and more lies. Scam artists. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  73. Di Bonorchis 30 December, 2014 at 11:57 am #

    Dischem in Richards Bay are selling this product. i have just recently purchased! Will be returning it!

  74. Gordon Gray 2 January, 2015 at 6:18 pm #

    Apparently Dr. Shealy’s credentials (normshealy.com), research and experience are sound and verifiable.
    He is one of the most enthusiastic promoters of transdermal magnesium therapy with verifiable research, including a patent on its use in raising DHEA.

    As a layman, how do I refute this?

    • Harris 3 January, 2015 at 7:21 am #

      @Gordon
      You are absolutely correct, this is the very difficult one – how does anyone, including me, know when a highly credible scientist has ‘lost the plot’? In this instance, one only has to examine his website and see that he now also supports “solar homeopathy”, among other. He is very similar to Dr Oz, once a credible scientist who became overcome with greed and looked for shortcuts to making money, something that his scientific pathway could not provide in large amounts.

      Dr Shealy is listed in the Encyclopedia of American Loons
      “Fortunately there is no dearth of American crazies, and C. Norman Shealy is certainly behind some serious dingbattery. Shealy is apparently a Harvard-schooled MD, neurosurgeon and alternative medicine practitioner (not through Harvard, one presumes), and quite an authority in this murky quagmire of a pseudofield. He was one of the founders of the American Holistic Medical Association, the paragon umbrella organization of all things quackery, and is associated with the unaccredited “Holos University”” “Shealy is, apparently, a prolific speaker and author of bullcrap such as “Aids: Passageway to Transformation,” . . .”

  75. Wilhelm 26 February, 2015 at 6:28 pm #

    We have already bought the product, as my wife suffers from pain in her legs. Taking it, will it do any harm as we are not in the area where we bought it. Cannot remember the pharmacy, as the product was recommended by a friend who claims that he is sleeping better and has less pains. He is recovering from an accidnet.

  76. Nico 27 February, 2015 at 7:58 am #

    Wilhelm. I take the oil in my coffee in the morning and last coffee at night for the last 3-4 months now. You do not taste it in the coffee. It definitely helped my night cramps, and it did help for regular stool. If you really wonder about it, although the negative comments, it costs as much, or less than a packet of sigaretts or a bottle of brandy and you won’t find anybody (not even Dr. Harris) complaining about that. Thanks again “magnesium or miracle oil” for a product that worked for ME!! To my knowledge a doctor makes a lot of money…then why not see the sun shine on someone else as well?

  77. Ruthger van Broekhuizen 20 April, 2015 at 9:49 am #

    Ek het Aldactone gebruik en een van die nagevolge was krampe en net MIRACLE MAGNESIUM het vir die krampe gehelp! Nie een van die Slow Mag of Plenish K het gehelp nie. Dokters voer jou pille wat meer kwaad doen as goed! ‘n Kardioloog het in sy arrogansie my op twee beta blokkeerders gesit! Ek was amper dood, Miracle Magnesium het gehelp by tye wat ek baie sleg gevoel het!!

    • Harris 20 April, 2015 at 10:39 am #

      Die is moielik om te glo: Slow Mag is basies die selfde as Miracle Magnesium! Altwee is magnesium chloride! Die basiese verskil is dat Slow Mag baie noue aansprake maak in vergeleiking met Miracle Magnesium. (Dit verskoon nie die fout wat die dokter gemaak het nie)

  78. Belinda 9 May, 2015 at 3:39 pm #

    Ek het vandag aankope gedoen by CUM boeke in die Kolonnade Sentrum. As jy bo ‘n sekere bedrag spandeer kry jy ‘n botteltjie Miracle Magnesium Oil saam.Jy moet egter ‘n vraelys voltooi en jou kontak besonderhede verstrek.Op die botteltjie staan “SABS tested” met ‘n “Nappi code”.Ek het dit ge”Google” want as iets Te goed is om waar te wees dan is dit gewoonlik ‘n spul twak.Ek neem aan ek gaan sekerlik deur hulle gekontak word een of ander tyd…. (09/05/2015)

    • Harris 11 May, 2015 at 9:12 am #

      @Belinda
      Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I have contacted CUM books to alert them to this. It will be interesting to see how they react.

  79. Kev Richards 13 May, 2015 at 11:21 pm #

    Great website. It is always good to have claims challenged. However, I have learned to go with user results like those posted on Webmd or Amazon which for the oil is overwhelmingly positive. Suck it and see is a very safe thing to to for most people (obviously checking with doctor). If I use magnesium oil and it helps my arthritic knee pain or muscle ache then it helps my knee pain or muscle no matter what the state of the scientific evidence is.

    It is very strange that research has not been done to see if magnesium really is absorbed by the skin! What an easy experiment to carry out!

  80. Johann Smidt 31 May, 2015 at 11:41 am #

    I saw an interview on this product on “ONTBYTSAKE” on KyKNet Channel 144 on 2015-05-30.
    If this is indeed a scam, I think “ONTBYTSAKE” should air an apology for misleading people. Their financial and economic advice and surveys automatically becomes suspect as well. If you could spread lies about one thing, you couls spread lies about everything ! !

  81. SJ 28 July, 2015 at 10:40 am #

    Miracle Magnesium Oil sold at Dischem Centurion

  82. Cecilia 11 November, 2015 at 9:19 pm #

    It may or may not be a scam, but this is for some reason the only source of magnesium that took my cramps away. I had it since I was in school and I “discovered” this oil in my late thirties. If I stop and use other magnesium it takes about 6 month for the cramps to come back. This led me to start researching magnesium. Well I am shocked to know that doctors do not prescribe this more often. Doctors prefer to prescribe things that keep you alive, but not feeling lively. So whatever this woman is doing good for her she is at least opeing the eyes of people to take their life and how they feel getting through a day in their own hands. Dr. have that responsiblity, but I am sorry to say they give us stoff so that we have to keep coming back. A bit off topic, but my daughter was perscribed conserta – while she is getting A and B not once did she say to take some vitamine with it to support concentration. I took the conserta – I want to know what it feels like. Your mind is racing like a race track. I researched natural options and vitamins. It does not let you super focus like the conserta, but it helps a lot and it also doesn’t make you feel bad. Surely it would be a good idea to have vitamines with the Conserta with the aim to get her off it, but getting someone off it is not the dr’s objective I realised. The point is everybody is bulshitting for their own benift. The miricale magnesium may be a bit of a fairy tale intertwined with reality, but it opened peoples mind up for the benifits of magnisium. ADHD and epileptic (my daugther outgrew her epilipsie at the age of 10) happens to be two conditions that supplementing with magnesium is benificial. No dr ever bothered to tell me this.

  83. Liza 15 November, 2015 at 3:06 am #

    My neurosurgeon advises that before anyone uses magnesium they should have their levels tested and then if there is a shortage then take an amount to correct it. You can have too much magnesium in your system and it becomes unhealthy then. All vitamins, essential oils,herbs, etc need to be tested and proven before being pushed for so many sheep out there to take it. I have neve used any of these products and will not do so as it does look like the person is just trying to make a quick buck without having full knowledge ofside affects that happen later. That is the whole point of clinical trials of producte and getting it approved so that if there are any side affects it can be stopped. This person is playing with peoples lives and should be stopped before something bad happens.

  84. Rob 1 February, 2016 at 1:01 pm #

    I am a scientist. I cannot deny field evidence.

    Fact is, this spray-on product brought a lot of comfort to my partner and I. We had zero expectatons and information, just the spray-on bottle to try. No Placebo effect.

    We received a free sample and tried the blue spray. My partner has severe, chronic tendonitis that inhibits walking and causes much pain. For 4 days, I sprayed the liquid on her tendons and calves at night and rubbed gently for around 10 minutes, spraying more on when it was absorbed.

    After just 2 days the swelling had subsided and she was visibly walking with increased ease (no more sidewyas step by step) down a flight of 12 stairs. Further, her pain lessened considerably. She slept better due to the absence of pain.

    Encouraged, I tried it on a painful knee I had torn the ligaments of. Initially, there was a stinging sensation and then the relief of the nagging pain was quick. The stiffness also lessened considerably when I put weight on the knee and down a flight of stairs. As a fact, after the first treatment I obtained and retained increased mobility and lessened discomfort.

    The trick seems to be to liberally spray enough on the target area(s) to leave a wet sheen of liquid and to give it a chance to absorb all by itself. Make sure to also treat the associated muscular and bone system around the painful area, not just the area itself.

    I hope it brings relief to other sufferers as well.

    • Harris 1 February, 2016 at 1:27 pm #

      @Rob
      Thanks for posting your anecdotal evidence. I note that you are not a medical scientist but in engineering? Although your evidence may suggest that the product works, it may be that the improvements can be attributed to the causality illusion and that your bodies simply healed naturally from the massaging and care you took? Until there is evidence from a study of a statistical relevant number of individuals, one can argue that your claims are anecdotal evidence which does not equate to data. Conversely, if someone submits a claim that both he and partner were not helped by applying this product, I would have to state the same – it is anecdotal evidence, but in this instance, the claims supported by no proof from studies to counter that claim.

  85. Germaine Staley 14 July, 2016 at 11:08 pm #

    What a load of crap. I have been using the magnesium oil for some time now and it works like a charm every single time. I can only imagine you are being paid some big pharma company to write this nonsense. This story of ‘anecdotal” not being evidence is just another way for you chemical pushing people to discredit people’s real experiences. Whatever happened to field studies? Surely the best kind of “evidence” is testimonials from the clients, the actual people who are using the product. If people are saying that something works then who are you to say it doesn’t? Have you had their experiences? I find it incredulous that all of you so called ‘scientists’ are not doing your fact finding missions in the field, gathering your data from real people and not some sterile test group, which no doubt has been hand selected by the funders of the study who no doubt will also be one the drug companies who are trying to discredit whatever product is putting them out of business. And before you throw an insult at me that makes some or other reference to me not being ‘academic’ to understand the ins and outs of controlled studies, I have a medical background in microbiology, chemistry, histology and pathology and both my parents are biomedical scientists, not that any of that should matter, but that is the normal come back when these sorts of discussions take place.

    • Harris 15 July, 2016 at 8:36 am #

      @Germaine
      Bloodletting was practised by surgeons up to the late 1800s. Anecdotally they all believed it worked. This practise only began to be seriously questioned in the second half of the 1800s, as the development of evidence-based medicine led to new statistical methods for evaluating treatment effectiveness. The same, recently with the Power Bracelet – people believed this nonsense until a study showed the effect to be placebo driven. Many more examples exist. If it works for you, great. That does not necessarily mean it is true for others.

  86. Gary Weston 14 September, 2016 at 3:40 pm #

    I only found out about magnesium oil very recently. It doesn’t seem to be an over the counter product here in the UK, at least where I live, so on the advice of an Australian friend, I looked into it and bought the raw product,and made my own mix of 50 / 50 with water and bought a spray bottle for it. I am 63 and have had two hip replacements and have ostioarthritis in my spine. I was skeptical but thought what the hell. Pain in back went within half hour. A liberal daily rubbing of the solution has pretty much ended the pain and I sleep better also because of it. The product is very cheap, safe and works for me. Not saying it is a cure-all for everything and everyone, but try it and see. If it doesn’t work for you, that’s life. If it does, all well and good. Just be open minded.

  87. GJ Roberson 23 October, 2016 at 12:30 pm #

    I have read all of the above comments on Miracle Magnesium.(containing calcium). I am using a prescribed Calcium supplement (S0) for many yrs and I am concerned that the combination of the 2 products might have a negative effect on my veins and heart. Singly or in combination. Can you advise and comment on my concern. I am now 70 yrs of age.

    • Harris 24 October, 2016 at 10:07 am #

      @GJ Roberson
      It is difficult to give absolute advice here. What needs to be determined, among other, is how much calcium in total you are taking in, what your blood levels are, and whether your kidneys are working correctly. The most appropriate advice is to discuss this with your doctor who knows your present status best.

  88. gary weston 24 October, 2016 at 10:51 am #

    G J.Magnesium is a natural element. You eat it every day in your food, but due to a deficiency in some soils, we may not be getting enough. Your body will get rid of it the natural way if you “overdose” and you can end up with a loose motion. (happened once to me so far). The oil is absorbed more effectively than the oral stuff. I use the oil daily and rub it vigorously on my joints (arthritis) and pain goes away in about half hour. My 87 Y O mother does well with it also. By all means check with your doctor but I doubt the oil is harming you. I just wish I’d heard of it years ago.

    • Harris 24 October, 2016 at 11:01 am #

      @Gary
      This is dangerous advice. “The kidney has a vital role in magnesium homeostasis and, although the renal handling of magnesium is highly adaptable, this ability deteriorates when renal function declines significantly.” Clinical Kidney Journal

      There is no robust evidence to support the claim that the oil is more effectively absorbed than the oral version (although there is some “excised human skin from patients undergoing abdominoplasty”, i.e., a study in the lab on excised human skin, but not in a living human.

      Here is a good overview written by a pharmacist.

  89. gary weston 24 October, 2016 at 11:56 am #

    No worries. I’ll just keep enjoying a better quality of life with my pain gone. I woke up with pain in my knee and could hardly walk and now that’s gone. I am very limited with the pain killers I can take because of my inhalers. The oil works for me but if others are against it, that’s fine also. In Australia, it is possible to buy the oil in a roll-on.
    My choices are this. Have pain every day or use the oil. The magnesium flakes I use to make up my oil are actually a bath soak. There are no health warnings on the packet. Yeah. Sounds really dangerous. I don’t really care if others use it or not. They are free to choose.

    • Harris 24 October, 2016 at 12:02 pm #

      @Gary
      My comments are not to say that you should not use it, nor that your claim that you get relief is invalid.

      My comments are to point out that individuals experience or belief cannot necessarily be extrapolated to all, and/or to counter incorrect information e.g. “[Y]our body will get rid of it the natural way if you “overdose””.

  90. gary weston 24 October, 2016 at 12:24 pm #

    I did suggest G J checks with a doctor if he /she has concerns. The only painkillers my doctor would give me would cause me harm. As I said before, To use the oil is my choice. It is very cheap to make up a mix. Anyone with doubts should not use it and just keep popping those pills. Just keep open minded and accept others have experiences and opinions that may not fit with your own. A debate means balance.

  91. Trish Mostert 30 October, 2016 at 1:26 am #

    Iam a grandmother and realy dislike taking medications, but my back, neck and shoulder pain was unbelivable – in fact as a designer I could not sit at the computer and work without crying. It became so bad my legs were cramping into knotty lumps and was living on pain killers. I saw your oil and spray advertised at Sparkport Pharmacy and didn’t really expect any results but was desperate, especially after tring so many other options and experts. I started using the products frequently – the relief was suprising quick – and now after a short time very seldom – almost 100% better now. Thank you so much.

    • Harris 25 August, 2017 at 8:16 am #

      Hi Jack,
      Thanks for bringing this study to our attention.
      It is an interesting pilot study, and worthy of consideration for further studies. However the claims are not robust or believable enough as I explain in this posting

  92. gary weston 25 August, 2017 at 9:48 am #

    After a a year + of using the oil I’m finding I require the oil less than I used to, but try to keep up usage to help with my cholesterol. I was doubtful about the claims for cholesterol control but it came down from 5.8 to 5 (normal for my age) with no other changes to my lifestyle or diet. My back and knee plays up now and then but a quick rub with the oil sorts it out. 87 Y O mom swears by it and would not be without it now.
    Again, each to their own. It is annoying the health professionals are happy to make more billions for the multi-nationals making the pills and potions ($$$) instead of investigating a natural solution that is cheap and at least in my case, effective.

    • Harris 25 August, 2017 at 10:03 am #

      @Gary
      The fact that you BELIEVE that it works, is not the same as it actually working. There are a multitude of studies that demonstrate that products had benefit, from pain relieve to massive weight-loss in some individuals, but the product was simply a placebo (an inert substance).

      So I am very, very happy that this product worked for you, but based on your belief is insufficient proof to extrapolate use as marketing material to thousands of people.

  93. gary weston 25 August, 2017 at 9:56 am #

    I find that pop up offensive about this being a scam. How can it be a scam when it is so cheap to make and is a natural substance, unlike the manufactured drugs that can do more harm than good? I make nothing from the oil or flakes and merely suggest it to anyone suffering from aches and pains to try it. If it works for them, great and always consult the medical professionals. This is passed by word of mouth to people like me who thank the day I heard about it and can control my pain naturally. Balanced debate, people!

    • Harris 25 August, 2017 at 10:00 am #

      @Gary
      It the company claimed that it was useful for magnesium deficiency, muscle cramps caused by Mg deficiency, and other claims that are valid, it would not be a scam. However the company claims it can cure cancer, sinusitis, which is false, AND, that their product is absorbed through the skin – which is false. Calls for the epithet – ‘scam’

  94. gary weston 25 August, 2017 at 11:12 am #

    I don’t really care. It just says bath flakes on my packet. Isn’t the blood tests my doctors took not valid??? I don’t think it cures anything, but it does no harm as it is something we absorb in our food anyway. Some soils are deficient in some minerals, such as selinium in New Zealand. Or perhaps we don’t always eat the food with all we need in it.
    You would rather I take statins like 1 in 10 Americans do? I tossed mine in the trash because they gave me more pains than before. NO. I am not suggesting anyone else does as I did and do. Nobody forced me to buy the flakes and I have seen no advertisement anywhere about it claiming anything other than it can help with aches and pains the way radox does. You obviously have an agenda and a very biased point of view. I don’t care if anyone else tries it or not. I have far less aches and pains than I used to and that is evidence enough for me.

    • Harris 25 August, 2017 at 3:46 pm #

      @Gary
      If your read the posts associated with this topic, you will see that I am taking on the false claims being made by products such as Miracle Magnesium. Context is everything. I am not advocating statins, or Big Pharma products. I am advocating products with proof of benefit (efficacy), and that, is simply my agenda. And my bias is towards proof and prejudice against belief.

      “Flaws in aircraft design do not prove the existence of magic carpets”

      As I said, if you believe the product works for you, great!

  95. Isabel 11 January, 2018 at 10:56 pm #

    Hi

    Magnesium supplementation has changed my life over night… I think that this whole post is detrimental to those that are looking into supplementing with magnesium…. As you are fully aware Magnesium is utilized by over 300 different enzymatic processes… it is a very very important substance we all need for basic cellular energy and regeneration… the claims they make can be from client testimonies aswell…. please tell me who is going to spend the money needed to do the tests to prove the efficacy? There is no profit to be made by a natural substance, big pharma cannot patent it and make profit from it…. thus big pharma hates a substance that can actually heal people… as they will not ptofit.

    For myself Magnesium has helped with leaky gut, severe food intolerances, daily hives and insomnia, severely dry cracking skin….and the list goes on.. I could literally feel the differance overnight… OVERNIGHT! I have tried everything… and doctors where of ZERO help…. it is not the doctors fault it is how they are trained…

    Doctors just gave me antihistamines… this made my hives worse… this was putting a bandaid on the problem… not solving it. The body is a self healing organism…. but in order to heal itself it needs the right tools to do so…if you are Magnesium deficient you can have a myraid of problems… and the list for which mgnesium can help if you are deficientis surely a very very long list… especially if it is a substance that is utilized by every cell in your body. If you understand the biology of the body the claims make sense…if I bave to go into explaining the different cellular works it will take forefer. I am not a doctor… but no doctor in 2 years could help me… my body was completely out of sync… I have been supplementing with a lot of things and magnesium chloride supplementation and especially oral supplementation bas truly helped me.

    How dare you say that someone who haz been using a product for 6 months then finding relief is not because of the product? It can fully be as result of the product as it takes time to raise defficiency levels in the body to adequate. I am very upset as this product is not on the market anymore because it truly helped me… I am nkw left to seek alternatives. I cannot help but question theauthor of this websites true intention… is it truky to help people… or do you profit at all in any means when you seek legal action against companies….

    • Harris 12 January, 2018 at 5:05 pm #

      @Isabel
      It is true that magnesium is essential for the body, but not true that it causes the diseases you listed. So replacing magnesium will not fix those conditions.

      You write: “How dare you say that someone who haz been using a product for 6 months then finding relief is not because of the product? It can fully be as result of the product as it takes time to raise defficiency levels in the body to adequate”. Not true. Few compounds require long term supplementation before an effect is seen. In the case of magnesium, and others, it is very quick.

  96. Gary 12 January, 2018 at 7:18 pm #

    Isabel. . I tend to be wary of any claims for anything until I’ve tried it. I have read of the improvements to skin conditions through use of the oil. And of course you will sleep better if you have less aches and pains. Glad you have some improvement to your life using a harmless, natural and CHEAP product. I’m 18 months of use now and my aches and pains are so reduced I do forget to use it sometimes. My now 88 yo mom strained her shoulder and told me today the magnesium oil helped. I’ve said it before. Suck it and see. If it helps, all well and good. Not really sure what the agenda is here to put people off at least trying something, but I have NO agenda or links to manufacturers. The oil won’t cure anything as far as I know, but if it eases my pains and I don’t need painkillers, I’ll use it. Adults must make up their own minds. It is so cheap to use and if it doesn’t work for you, just use it as a bath soak. No harm done and little money spent. any health store will supply the magnesium flakes. I don’t take supplements as the mag oil is best absorbed through the skin. Too much will be expelled naturally with a loose bowel movement. That’s happened to me two or three times in the last 18 months. YOU are the best judge of how something works for you. I do resent the thing that insists I must be still advertising when I come on here. arrogant shit

    • Harris 15 January, 2018 at 8:42 am #

      “mag oil is best absorbed through the skin” – No evidence this is true
      If you believe that this treatment works for you, good for you. But if you advertise without any proof that magnesium cures or is effective for cancer, sinusitis, etc., then you have overstepped ethical and moral boundaries.

      • Isabel Pieterse 16 January, 2018 at 8:09 pm #

        Harris

        The problem is that because you are so adamant on receiving medical proof that something works you are not likely to suggest this treatment for your allergy patients… although magnesium plays such an important role in inflammation, DAO and histamine response… you are programmed to use products that have been manufactured in a lab at a premium that only masks the issue and is wholly unnatural… and does not resolve it… you are trained to treat symptomatically not systemically… until doctors are properly trained in the value of proper nutrition and deficiencies causing disease we will still have a very sick society from which only a few big pharma companies and private practice doctors gain. While patients are left sick with empty wallets.

        You are clearly a very intelligent person – but intelligence does not always equate wisdom. Do you disagree that a deficiency in magnesium will or can cause an elevated histamine response? Do you disagree that deficiency in magnesium will or can cause elevated inflammatory markers, Do you disagree that a magnesium deficiency can lead to cellular degradation and poor DNA synthesis. Do you disagree that a magnesium deficiency will or can lead to depleted T3 levels leading to thyroid disease, Do you disagree that magnesium deficiency can cause insulin resistance, Do you disagree that a magnesium deficiency can cause neurological and hormonal issues. Do you disagree that a magnesium deficiency will or can lead to hypokalcemia? Do you disagree that a magnesium deficiency will or can lead to digestive issues due to improper enzyme production. You cannot disagree with any of the above statements… as magnesium is necessary in all these processes… So it is a fair deduction then that if you have Arthritis caused by elevated inflammation that Magnesium might be of benefit if the patient is Magnesium deficient?

        Our soils have been depleted due to over farming – can you Harris proof me wrong on this? Most individuals are Magnesium Depleted – can you Harris proof me wrong on this?
        How many doctors actually test their patients for magnesium? Do you have figures on this Harris? Is it difficult to tell true Magnesium levels from blood tests?

        If a nutrient is so vitally important to our survival and plays such a big role in sooooo many processes – and if you are deficient in magnesium this may lead to arthritis, headaches, numbness, elevated histamine responses such as hives , food allergies and indigestion, insulin resistance, dry skin and the list goes on and on and on… you CANNOT say that it is false advertising or false claims if Magnesium is necessary on cellular level for all these biological reactions and a deficiency can be the cause of the problems… how is this false advertising?

        An Allergist did not help my father when he started having food intolerances and allergic reactions… antihistamines did not heal him… he eventually had a perforated intestine, spent 100 days in ICU – YES 100 days, and passed away… I wish I knew then what I know now and I am 100% sure that he would have still been with us.

        • Harris 17 January, 2018 at 6:12 pm #

          @Isabel
          I agree with a number of your points. Where we differ is that you assume that I am against supplementation with magnesium.

          However:
          1. Magnesium CONTRIBUTES to a number of illnesses, but treating with magnesium does not RESOLVE, treat or cure that disease – with some exceptions. So there IS a place for appropriate supplementation – but not as glibly promoted by sellers.
          2. The difference between a good doctor, and a company selling magnesium, is that the former uses magnesium supplementation for specific appropriate conditions where supplementation has been shown to be beneficial, compared to a seller falsely adding on a host of other conditions. So if there is evidence that magnesium supplementation benefits food allergy, good. If not, deceptive advertising, fraud.
          3. Unless there is evidence that magnesium is absorbed through the skin (very, very substances can), then that is deceptive advertising and fraud, and worse, for conditions where supplementation is beneficial, the consumer will not benefit – and their health will be affected adversely.
          4. Big Pharma sell magnesium for less than that sold by ‘alternatives’, without making any false claims for it. Appropriate claims good. False claims bad.

          Are you suggesting that ill people should take a ‘chance’ on using magnesium on their skin based on the belief or anecdotes?

  97. gary roger weston 18 January, 2018 at 1:33 pm #

    I would very much welcome full and proper scientific (unbiased) tests on magnesium oil as I believe if it has the positive results for others has it has for me then perhaps it would save our N H S millions. The warnings on some of the prescription alternatives for me and the bad way one in particular affected me, means I will stay with the oil, thank you very much. Off for another painfree walk around the shops in an hour or so and guess what is one of the items on my shopping list? A kilo of bath flakes for less than 10 quid. That will last me and my mom all of this year. Yeah, this is really a terrible thing. By the way. I’m told they have been using this on racehorses for years.

    • Harris 18 January, 2018 at 4:45 pm #

      @Gary
      I fully concur with you – I would welcome unbiased tests on magnesium oil.
      It is wonderful that this appear to benefit you. I on the other hand have met more people that it has not benefited than those that it has. But that is simply anecdotal data and may not show the actual truth.

  98. gary roger weston 18 January, 2018 at 8:18 pm #

    The ONLY way news is spreading is through anecdotal evidence, or from people actually trying it and telling others. Big business will not, especially pharmaceutical companies who have a vested interest, unlike people like me who have NO commercial links or interest. No $$ in it for them. My opinion (and that is all I’m expressing here) is that it probably doesn’t cure anything, just helps with the symptoms of issues like arthritis. It also seems to help regulate cholesterol naturally has it did with me and proven by blood tests. Before I went off on my walkabout in town my knee was aching so a rub with the oil and half hour later I was good to go. I really hate the thing that comes up on here before getting to the debate that I am STILL advertising stuff. Find anywhere on here or anywhere else that I have endorsed a particular producer or health food shop. Nope, not there. I just say try it and see and I hope it helps. I’m not the one with an agenda on here.

  99. gary weston 22 January, 2018 at 6:50 pm #

    OOops! It doesn’t say I’m advertising, but that I’m being duped by scamsters. Nope. Just my Australian friend passing on her experience to me. Bless her for that. I just wanted to correct that previous comment.

  100. Harris 30 January, 2018 at 5:34 pm #

    New review study on whether magnesium can be absorbed through the skin:
    Myth or Reality—Transdermal Magnesium?
    http://www.camcheck.co.za/review-study-can-magnesium-absorbed-skin/

Leave a Reply

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.